SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Wheel expert required
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Wheel expert required
I am finally going to buy some wheels for my wide body 63.
I have done the measurements and I know what to order BUT..
what about the spacers. Do I add the thickness of the spacer to my
hub measurement ? or just give the measurements and tell them about
the spacers.
Another thing that bugs me is with spacers surely you have increased
the track. When wheels are on without the spacers does this reduce
the track. Perhaps the car will ride better without spacers, I not really
sure of the difference.
I have done the measurements and I know what to order BUT..
what about the spacers. Do I add the thickness of the spacer to my
hub measurement ? or just give the measurements and tell them about
the spacers.
Another thing that bugs me is with spacers surely you have increased
the track. When wheels are on without the spacers does this reduce
the track. Perhaps the car will ride better without spacers, I not really
sure of the difference.
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SL 63 W/B AMG , S600,C220
Sorry did not make myself clear.
I wants new wheels without spacers. But when I measure the offset
For the new wheels, do I add the width of the spacer to the measurement
To get the correct offset. On my rear wheel at present it is stamped 27
Which I presume is the offset, but it is bolted to a spacer not the axle,
So will this affect the offset which is 27. The spacer is 56 mm this pushes
The wheel out to fill the wide body arches. I have told this to a wheel company
But even they do not understand. Oh to me be in the States.
I wants new wheels without spacers. But when I measure the offset
For the new wheels, do I add the width of the spacer to the measurement
To get the correct offset. On my rear wheel at present it is stamped 27
Which I presume is the offset, but it is bolted to a spacer not the axle,
So will this affect the offset which is 27. The spacer is 56 mm this pushes
The wheel out to fill the wide body arches. I have told this to a wheel company
But even they do not understand. Oh to me be in the States.
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Thanks steaksauce , I think your right, trouble is wheel companies don't.
I think the only way to get these wheels is to take my car to the States
Another thing is in England we don't fix the pot holes, I can just imagine
spending 5 grand on wheels, then going down a pot hole and buckling
one
Might as well keep the spacers, at least I can buy a new wheel for $500 inc
shipping, instead of over a grand.
I think the only way to get these wheels is to take my car to the States
Another thing is in England we don't fix the pot holes, I can just imagine
spending 5 grand on wheels, then going down a pot hole and buckling
one
Might as well keep the spacers, at least I can buy a new wheel for $500 inc
shipping, instead of over a grand.
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Thanks steaksauce , I think your right, trouble is wheel companies don't.
I think the only way to get these wheels is to take my car to the States
Another thing is in England we don't fix the pot holes, I can just imagine
spending 5 grand on wheels, then going down a pot hole and buckling
one
Might as well keep the spacers, at least I can buy a new wheel for $500 inc
shipping, instead of over a grand.
I think the only way to get these wheels is to take my car to the States
Another thing is in England we don't fix the pot holes, I can just imagine
spending 5 grand on wheels, then going down a pot hole and buckling
one
Might as well keep the spacers, at least I can buy a new wheel for $500 inc
shipping, instead of over a grand.
You HAVE to get a set of wheels built to your specific offsets.
Hindsight is 20/20 but if I did the wide body I would've factored in the wheels as well.
A lot of wheel companies are doing "flow forged". You might get your specs and save some money too.
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Thanks for the advice, but you guys are lucky, you just go to a wheel
shop and they sort it out. England by comparison is in the dark ages, they
don't know an ordinary SL amg let alone a wide body SL.
And when you tell them your car has a black series type body, you may
as well ask the man in the moon. I have approached a couple of big wheel
companies, when I tell them what I want they never call me back.
All they want to do is sell wheels to Golf and Audi owners, and they still
get confused.
shop and they sort it out. England by comparison is in the dark ages, they
don't know an ordinary SL amg let alone a wide body SL.
And when you tell them your car has a black series type body, you may
as well ask the man in the moon. I have approached a couple of big wheel
companies, when I tell them what I want they never call me back.
All they want to do is sell wheels to Golf and Audi owners, and they still
get confused.
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Thanks Viper I wish I could, I don't think they want to sell me wheels
in case they don't fit. It would help if someone with a wide body kit
tell me what offset their wheels are, or where they bought them, I am
sure they would fit my car.
in case they don't fit. It would help if someone with a wide body kit
tell me what offset their wheels are, or where they bought them, I am
sure they would fit my car.
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If you know the offset and width of your current wheels and the size of your spacer, you can do the calculations yourself. http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
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I am interested in going 15mm and 20mm on my 2012 E350 Stock rims. Can anyone recommend a vendor and what size lug bolts did you go to? We're you able to use the same size lugs all around or had to stagger from and back due to the 5mm difference?
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your stock bolts should be about 30mm, add whatever amount your spacer is. + 15, +20. so 45, 50. you can buy these on ebay any size. such as-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Merc...ty!33511!US!-1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Merc...ty!33511!US!-1
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NO SPACERS.. How Much Wider is your body kit?
This will be a lot to take in.
Normal SL R239 & CLS W219 offset is +25 for aftermarket wheels.
if you have a 1" wider kit. will be about a 25mm difference which is subtracted to the wheel offset. equals to 0
example
20x9 +25 to 20x9 +0 front
20x10 +25 to 20x10 +0 rear
if you have 2" wider kit will be about 50mm which is subtracted to the wheel offset equals to -25
20x9 -25 front
20x10.5-25 rear
however you can go with a wider wheel. like a 20x12 rear which will complicate offset calculations.. but you can go wider tires for improve grip
You will need custom wheels built and the wheel maker will now calculate wheels on back spacing. back spacing will be a constant variable.
front 20x9 +25 is about a 5.5" backspacing
rear 20x10.5 +25 is about 6.25" backspacing then you just messure rotor outward to fender verticals. for front spacing.
You also have to make sure the wheel maker can have a face that clears the AMG brakes.
The wheel maker will have to measure everything to make the correct wheel for you.
This will be expensive. but you have have that crazy deep dish wheel !
This will be a lot to take in.
Normal SL R239 & CLS W219 offset is +25 for aftermarket wheels.
if you have a 1" wider kit. will be about a 25mm difference which is subtracted to the wheel offset. equals to 0
example
20x9 +25 to 20x9 +0 front
20x10 +25 to 20x10 +0 rear
if you have 2" wider kit will be about 50mm which is subtracted to the wheel offset equals to -25
20x9 -25 front
20x10.5-25 rear
however you can go with a wider wheel. like a 20x12 rear which will complicate offset calculations.. but you can go wider tires for improve grip
You will need custom wheels built and the wheel maker will now calculate wheels on back spacing. back spacing will be a constant variable.
front 20x9 +25 is about a 5.5" backspacing
rear 20x10.5 +25 is about 6.25" backspacing then you just messure rotor outward to fender verticals. for front spacing.
You also have to make sure the wheel maker can have a face that clears the AMG brakes.
The wheel maker will have to measure everything to make the correct wheel for you.
This will be expensive. but you have have that crazy deep dish wheel !
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Plenty of wheels available in the right offset. Should not be that expensive. SPDV6 sells custom forged wheels for widebody cars that are affordable. No need to overspend. CCW also makes some nice wheels. That's what I had on my old widebody SL.
