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SL 65 AMG - It can be better and nicer than original Black Series ?
Hello,
I am starting new project with my SL R230 65 AMG stock.
I want to create car that will be better driven and looked both outside and inside than oryginal Black Series.
I have a lot of ideas what I can to do but sometimes I will need your help
It will be a long story Stay tuned.
It was adapted from S222 Coupe, all buttons works ( stock has 4 buttons on side, so in my wheel 2 buttons have both functions, shift paddles works correctly )
I made full project of that steering wheel so it's not easy to find same wheel
Keep the nice and rare SL65 looking stock, otherwise it will lower the value and it will be one of the cars that are very, very difficult to sale afterwards.
It will never be an original Black Series, no matter what Kit you put on the car.
You have fully right I think but that SL65 it's my next project after my 557 HP Hayabusa.
Motorization is my passion and my mainly projects I hope that stay with me for very long time
Yes- it will not original Black Series, but I just want something that I will not meet on the road.
Yes- 65 Black in my dream but... It doesn't any sence to modify it becouse it's to much collector value in my opinion.
Keep the nice and rare SL65 looking stock, otherwise it will lower the value and it will be one of the cars that are very, very difficult to sale afterwards.
It will never be an original Black Series, no matter what Kit you put on the car.
This is only my own opinion and experience.
You don't have to mod it to death to lower the value, time kill these machines. I've never seen a car depreciate so much, thanks to the wonderful ABC system.
You don't have to mod it to death to lower the value, time kill these machines. I've never seen a car depreciate so much, thanks to the wonderful ABC system.
I don't think so.
I have a look on the German- Market for many, many years. The prices for clean cars with low mileage, no accidents, max 2.owners, maintained at MB don't fall anymore since approx. 6 years. Bought mine before 6 years.
The good cars with low mileage will be a collectors item in my opinion and prices for the good cars will be rising, with the rare 6.0 Liter V12. Tuning normally lowers the prices. And optical tuning destroys the value of the car and there is nearly no market for these cars. ABC System is what it is. Great Ride, when well maintened and not driven too much.
When the prices will rise for the clean cars is a difficult question, but in my opinion latest - when the car is approx. 20 years old.
I have a look on the German- Market for many, many years. The prices for clean cars with low mileage, no accidents, max 2.owners, maintained at MB don't fall anymore since approx. 6 years. Bought mine before 6 years.
The good cars with low mileage will be a collectors item in my opinion and prices for the good cars will be rising, with the rare 6.0 Liter V12. Tuning normally lowers the prices. And optical tuning destroys the value of the car and there is nearly no market for these cars. ABC System is what it is. Great Ride, when well maintened and not driven too much.
When the prices will rise for the clean cars is a difficult question, but in my opinion latest - when the car is approx. 20 years old.
Here in the U.S, these cars depreciate like a rock. I picked up my car for 90% off the original MSRP, it is a 2005 with 77K Miles, clean carfax, no modifications. How insane is that, though not a 6.0L V12, it's still a 5.5 V12. It's the fear of maintenance cost that ruin these cars, for DIYers like me, it's a good thing because i could never afford this car if it was made by Lexus or something.
I have a look on the German- Market for many, many years. The prices for clean cars with low mileage, no accidents, max 2.owners, maintained at MB don't fall anymore since approx. 6 years. Bought mine before 6 years.
The good cars with low mileage will be a collectors item in my opinion and prices for the good cars will be rising, with the rare 6.0 Liter V12. Tuning normally lowers the prices. And optical tuning destroys the value of the car and there is nearly no market for these cars. ABC System is what it is. Great Ride, when well maintened and not driven too much.
When the prices will rise for the clean cars is a difficult question, but in my opinion latest - when the car is approx. 20 years old.
Not the case in the US. A good widebody will bring more money than a stock one and the right performance mods will bring in even more.
Interesting. Maybe German Market is different. Here the stock cars are the collectors items how they came out of the AMG Factory. But the same with Porsche, BMW... Here you don't get back what you paid for tuning.
I feel in the US these cars have more or less bottomed out when talking about 2003 to 2008. Obviously more so on the oldest years. You can buy clean example of 2005 with 50K to 75K in miles for not much difference than a 35K to 45K example. Prices on some 2003 with 40K in miles sell similar to 2006 with 50K in miles. Sure a few grand separates them but that isn't much when we are talking about 24K to 30K.
I say buy one up and enjoy the modding if that's what you want to do. Some people like to buy a car modded and others don't. I'm not sure the value on these is ever going to go up outside of very clean and low mileage garage queens that plan on remaining garage queens. Not much fun for most to own one of those.
It's my project and made in 3 different companies.
1. I bought original AMG wheel from S222 coupe.
2. Add some carbon like you see on photos.
3. Add new sewing with white stitching.
4. Add fully new electronic inside wheel with conversion of the mounting stem.
5. Bought new airbag with white stitching- this is original MB part.
I not prefer to do any sewing mods on airbag- I can be dangerous.
6. Add new connections inside airbag, it's not fit as original.
7. Whola
Total price about 2500-3000 USD and a lot of time and work, but it's look amazing.
Photos do not reflect in 50% how it is beautiful. In my opinion steering wheel it's first
position to do inside any car, it just make all interior effects.
In other my mods you will see similar parts that noone made before.
Optical tuning destroys the value of the car
Yes that is true, Europen market isn't big for modded cars and bikes, a lot of people afraid tuned cars,
especially performace mods becouse they think it probably break down quickly and in next step they must invest
a lot of money for repairs. Optical tune has a thin borded between agro-tuning and good job. It's need huge
ammount of money to do somethink as it can be done, but usually people bought cheap SL500 and add ****ty,
badly folded packages from China etc. Prior parts or Suchorovsky fits perfect provided that specialist install it.
Of course you can order all original parts from MB dealer but... I only ask for carbon seats from Black series and
real spoiler and get the answer that this first costs about 15k EUR per one, and spoiler more than 20k EUR without real hatch.
I think when you order some new parts from BS you will easy get price for used fully drive car. I do not have idea what is the value
of Black Series in parts but it can be interesting
I feel in the US these cars have more or less bottomed out when talking about 2003 to 2008. Obviously more so on the oldest years. You can buy clean example of 2005 with 50K to 75K in miles for not much difference than a 35K to 45K example. Prices on some 2003 with 40K in miles sell similar to 2006 with 50K in miles. Sure a few grand separates them but that isn't much when we are talking about 24K to 30K.
I say buy one up and enjoy the modding if that's what you want to do. Some people like to buy a car modded and others don't. I'm not sure the value on these is ever going to go up outside of very clean and low mileage garage queens that plan on remaining garage queens. Not much fun for most to own one of those.
I'm hoping the SL have done tanking, since i just bought mine i want the value to steady out or go up a bit. The V12TT will become a classic, and people will want to buy one if it's in good running order. I should've kept my Supra, it'd been worth 3x today than when i sold it.
I'm hoping the SL have done tanking, since i just bought mine i want the value to steady out or go up a bit. The V12TT will become a classic, and people will want to buy one if it's in good running order. I should've kept my Supra, it'd been worth 3x today than when i sold it.
I hear you. I think many of us who bought one in the last few years can probably drive them for a 4 or 5 years and put on 25K to 35K in miles an sell them for not much less than we paid and in some cases very similar price.
I just don't see good examples of these cars dropping much less than 20K area without having over 90K miles in the years moving forward. I think around 25K to 30K is where many of the 2003 to 2007ish will settle for the next 4 to 5 years that don't have over 100K in miles. People complain about the ABC. But there seems to be enough rebuild options out there to help people out on price. Outside of that these car's engines and trannys seem to be pretty bulletproof and any automatic convertible will have some form of maintenance over the years. Truth is any car over 100K new isn't cheap to do work on (ie: Porsche or Aston Martin). Not too mention some of the other over 100K cars new that you can get good deals on today have some major engine issues to worry about (not to pick on Porsche but IMS bearing isn't any joke to deal with).
I hear you. I think many of us who bought one in the last few years can probably drive them for a 4 or 5 years and put on 25K to 35K in miles an sell them for not much less than we paid and in some cases very similar price.
I just don't see good examples of these cars dropping much less than 20K area without having over 90K miles in the years moving forward. I think around 25K to 30K is where many of the 2003 to 2007ish will settle for the next 4 to 5 years that don't have over 100K in miles. People complain about the ABC. But there seems to be enough rebuild options out there to help people out on price. Outside of that these car's engines and trannys seem to be pretty bulletproof and any automatic convertible will have some form of maintenance over the years. Truth is any car over 100K new isn't cheap to do work on (ie: Porsche or Aston Martin). Not too mention some of the other over 100K cars new that you can get good deals on today have some major engine issues to worry about (not to pick on Porsche but IMS bearing isn't any joke to deal with).
It's funny you mention the engine and trans, i've seen a lot of S600 for sale with over 160K miles, so i have no doubt in my mind that if maintained properly and not abused, these engines drivetrain can go to 200K miles easily. Just the funny thing is, most of the S600s i see for sale are sitting on bump stops, lol i bet their ABC blew up.
In my country many times I see S600 and CL65 with about 250k miles. I spoke with one owner and he said me that one problem was coil packs, but We have company who make it for about 470 USD / one. Guys our engine was used in Pagani Huyara - so that V12TT is really good construction
Not Bro I just fit that in photoshop- thats photomontage only
Thats funny named company from Italy- EtaBeta.
Model Venti-R Silver.
Front: 19' DC 9J 25ET
Real 20' DC 10,5J 25ET
Like in all packages spacers will be required.
Front tyres will be Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 245/35, real 285/30.
With those offset you're gonna have to run like a 3" spacer, that's too much. Try to find wheels in like -20 offset or so, that should work. You'll get a really concaved look too.
03-07-2018, 07:03 PM
