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Old Nov 1, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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Raced SL65 in 04 Gallardo tonight! and 98 Supra TT BPU+++++

If I were to read this I would cal call BS but 3 people were in cars and allot others on street saw it.

As you all know I have been looking at the 04 Gallardo and a friend has 5 of them now. He came over tonight in a yellow one with exhaust on it. As we pull out my track I see a SL then we get closer and it is a new SL65. DID Caliber seller there’s tonight??? Black SL65 it is faster then the Gallardo even on the run. Run it 3 times then ran ran the Supra which was all even races to 140mph. If any question let me know.

Ran the Gallardo hard for 30 minutes or so!

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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 01:11 AM
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Sorry man, didn't quite understand what you said.

So you're saying the SL65 took you and you were even with a modded Supra?

What were these? 30-140mph runs? 60-140mph? 0-140mph?
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by neoprufrok
Sorry man, didn't quite understand what you said.

So you're saying the SL65 took you and you were even with a modded Supra?

What were these? 30-140mph runs? 60-140mph? 0-140mph?
The more I read about the SL65 the more I am impressed. I mean all the stories are of the SL65 being bone stock, in the link provided its chipped. Imagine when it goes engine transformations...what would be the performance be then? Here's an article, it seems that SL65 beat a modded GT2

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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 05:46 AM
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sorry I don't get it either, where is the "sounds like BS" part??
...a stock SL65 is suppose to be faster than Gallardo and even Murcielago(0-300km) A modified Supra is as fast as a stock Gallardo sounds reasonable to me.
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 10:07 AM
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Just a dream tonight for me. Gallardo SL65 and a Ricer in the same 20 minutes.

We did a 65-100 run in the Gallardo SL65.

with Supra did all 0-140 and 1st gear roll, 2nd gear role. I am looking into a Super charger or NOS for my new Gallardo.

I like the SL65 but the Gallardo is better for me.
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 12:37 PM
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'05 SL 55 Black/Black w/mods from Eurocharged/Kleemann/BuckheadImports
Talking Whatever ..... SL 65 rules

Just wait till the tuners start diving into the SL 65's engine (which they are all working on real hard right now) and get the horsepower up over 800 and then some people you know are eventually going to race these Porsches and also drop very wide racing slicks on these SL 65's (fender widening is good idea ... then you can put 345 width tires on the back ..a car with this much power will need this as a minimum) .. maybe a little race gas ... replace panels with light weight ones .. and then let them all race again.

Some tuners need to come up with a way to quickly drop the weight of the SL 65 atleast 500 lbs while putting much wider tires and upping the power more still .... When this happens .. .Holy Crap watch out .... A lightened and trimmed up SL 65 will be devastating on the road indeed ...

Especially if somebody puts this engine into a heavily lightened (CSL ?) style .... puts this engine in a liittle C class hatchback coupe or the all new SLK .... holy crap it'll then be 2000 lbs lighter than the SL 65 with the same engine !!!!! Now that's fast ... that would level the playing field with these lightweight little Porsches ..... I think a modded 65 engine in the new SLK would do it just right .....
Now how many street-legal Porsches would be able to keep up with that?

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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 03:08 PM
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Just wait till the tuners start diving into the SL 65's engine (which they are all working on real hard right now) and get the horsepower up over 800 and then some people you know are eventually going to race these Porsches and also drop very wide racing slicks on these SL 65's (fender widening is good idea ... then you can put 345 width tires on the back ..a car with this much power will need this as a minimum) .. maybe a little race gas ... replace panels with light weight ones .. and then let them all race again.

Some tuners need to come up with a way to quickly drop the weight of the SL 65 atleast 500 lbs while putting much wider tires and upping the power more still .... When this happens .. .Holy Crap watch out .... A lightened and trimmed up SL 65 will be devastating on the road indeed ...

Especially if somebody puts this engine into a heavily lightened (CSL ?) style .... puts this engine in a liittle C class hatchback coupe or the all new SLK .... holy crap it'll then be 2000 lbs lighter than the SL 65 with the same engine !!!!! Now that's fast ... that would level the playing field with these lightweight little Porsches ..... I think a modded 65 engine in the new SLK would do it just right .....
Now how many street-legal Porsches would be able to keep up with that?

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Would a biturbo V12 fit into that?
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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 07:46 AM
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I just got an SL55 a few months back, and I'm looking into a software up grade and pulley kit as well.
Now this will jump the power up a fair bit, but these SL65 guys are pumping out so much more it's crazzy what MB have done.

I also own a Gallardo 6 speed and I know that in every day off the light driving the SL will beat the Gallardo accross the intersection every time.
The Gallardo has a pretty weak clutch that doesn't like firm launches at all, so the SL has the G car covered, no probs.

I've got no doubt that the SL 65 has so much more power and grunt then the G car at anytime, but I wonder how a race at higher speeds would go 50-150mph ???

If you look at power to weight the SL65 runs at 7.5 pounds to the HP while the Gallardo is at 7 flat...advantage Gallardo, but higher speeds weight isn't as much of an issue, the aerodynamics would be of some importance here.

The G car and the SL65 cost pretty much the same (MB a bit more $$) but they both have amazing straight line performance, the SL is pure GRUNT as long as your pointing straight and the Lambo is a young dynamic stud bull that can go in any direction is splits of seconds.
Two very differnt cars that have very big grin factors.

For shear chest crushing torque the SL 55 and 65 have no compitition, but I'm sorry to say thats all they offer, apart from great build quality and a smooth ride.

Their the best MB has to offer and I'm happy to say I've got one parked in my garage.

BTW here's some specs on the Gallardo.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=5
What does the SL 55 and 65 do for the 1/4 mile

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Old Nov 7, 2004 | 03:18 PM
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Thank you your time.

Originally Posted by 22 UNDER PAR
I just got an SL55 a few months back, and I'm looking into a software up grade and pulley kit as well.
Now this will jump the power up a fair bit, but these SL65 guys are pumping out so much more it's crazzy what MB have done.

I also own a Gallardo 6 speed and I know that in every day off the light driving the SL will beat the Gallardo accross the intersection every time.
The Gallardo has a pretty weak clutch that doesn't like firm launches at all, so the SL has the G car covered, no probs.

I've got no doubt that the SL 65 has so much more power and grunt then the G car at anytime, but I wonder how a race at higher speeds would go 50-150mph ???

If you look at power to weight the SL65 runs at 7.5 pounds to the HP while the Gallardo is at 7 flat...advantage Gallardo, but higher speeds weight isn't as much of an issue, the aerodynamics would be of some importance here.

The G car and the SL65 cost pretty much the same (MB a bit more $$) but they both have amazing straight line performance, the SL is pure GRUNT as long as your pointing straight and the Lambo is a young dynamic stud bull that can go in any direction is splits of seconds.
Two very differnt cars that have very big grin factors.

For shear chest crushing torque the SL 55 and 65 have no compitition, but I'm sorry to say thats all they offer, apart from great build quality and a smooth ride.

Their the best MB has to offer and I'm happy to say I've got one parked in my garage.

BTW here's some specs on the Gallardo.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=5
What does the SL 55 and 65 do for the 1/4 mile

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Thank you for the review. I am going to sell my 100,000 mile GS400 and keep the 04 E55 and get the Gallardo. Do you like the E-Gear Trans better than the 6sp manual? I have driven 2 e-gear cars and no 6 speeds. I like launch mode in the e-gear. You use right foot only to drive. From a stop you push hard on the brake with right foot and then quickly take right foot off brake and slam it over to the gas pedal as hard and fast as you can. Car goes to 5000rpms then back wheels start to spin and then 30%of the power goes to the front wheels and car is gone. When I raced the supra in the e-gear car I bogged it 2 times then last run I hit it but only went to 3000rpm the spin then bogged then go. But later that night a friend hit it and it went to 5000 rpm and launched.

I am only looking at the Gallardo because I think it is first Exotic car that is dependable? Is it? I also will be adding a twin turbo kit to car. I am currently researching the Trans and how much it can handle? Any input will help. I know that Hennessey has a kit for it but have not spoke to them yet on all the upgrades needed. But kit is $59,000 installed. I think I can get parts for about $20K and get installed for $5K I want to do it myself but will hire a tech from oc Ferrari to help me. I already have him lined up. I also need to MAP from them. So I may try to buy just kit from them? I have allot of questions still. What do you think?
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 01:14 AM
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What can I say, sounds pretty good. Hope you get yellow if you get the Gallardo. I'll be interested in the upgrades that you do, with its light weight, all wheel-drive and more power it will fly... goodbye SL65.

Never driven any Lambo, but I like how the manual has a metal gate thingy so it has a cool sound when you change gear. However I have read the manual shift is "more 80's", and therefore may be e-gear is a worthy consideration. Do you know how the gear ratios compare, 1st in the manual can reach 100kmh!
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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 11:21 AM
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i was thinking about buying a gallardo but after driving it and owning a sl55, i decided the mercedes is much more refined and comfortable.

i didn't like all the little sounds coming from the engine compartment on the egear, after driving the gallardo for about 30 minutes i felt like i was driving a viper, lots of road noise and i started to develop a headache.

i think if you chip the sl55 it would be just as fast and all around better deal.

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Old Nov 8, 2004 | 07:09 PM
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You really can't launch the Gallardo firmly day after day like you could in a AMG 55 - 65.
The clutch isn't overly strong, but the real issue could be that it's so dam sticky that the clutch can't over ride the traction for the initial 1 second, without working the clutch in to some high temp danger zones.

The peak torque is at 4,500rpm so for good launches thats your zone.
I launched the car with traction off once in pouring rain, and the car was still finding it hard to get loose, but boy she ripped off the line.....not a great smell after I did that.

If you want to spend 5-7k for a new clutch then knock yourself out and work it at every light.
The E gear will fry clutches pretty easy, so it's not fool proof at all.
E gear and the 6 speed both have a top speed of about 65 mph in 1st, and all the other ratios are the same from then on.
There was some issues with the E gear program not working properly, but I hear that there's a version 2 software program has been offered to E gear customers.

The E gear seems to be the choice for the majority of owners.

Personally I like the involvement of the 6 speed and the sound of you running through the gate is never to be forgotten by you or your passengers.

It might not be a quick as the E gear, but your not winning races on the street.
I know I can move from 1st to 4th pretty much as quick as any E gear.

Down changes are a bit tricker for perfect heal toe, so the E gear might show an advantage there, but that clicking of the gate is a nice sound.

The SL65 is a different animal to most cars on the road and the Gallardo is no different.
They both have a totally different focus on what tasks there trying to do on a daily basis.
The only thing that share in common is great straight line speed, one has gobs of grunt with gobs of luxury and one has one awe inspiring sounding engine that is so addictive to the ear and handling that matches an engine.
Pure race speed comes from a Lamborghini and luxury with power is what the AMG range does best.

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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 12:31 PM
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guys it not that hard to out run a lambo or a supra. not all supra owner have there car modified to the extream. you figure a full bolt on supra, down pipe, 3" exhaust, boot turned up, intercooler, cam gears, and crank pulley usually do 425-450 wheel hp. that problably still less than a SL65.
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Old Feb 22, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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The Gallardo is not a daily car and the SL is, so you enjoy the car more.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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I own a 6 speed Pearl Yellow Gallardo and love the sound it makes when you're punching through the gears...snick...snick....A 1,2,3 change is awesome.
A fair amount of the Gallardo owners are picking the E gear option over manual, but it's had a few issues with the soft ware.
There's now upgrade as far as I know thats sorted out most of the issues.
The paddle option just doesn't get you into driving the car like a manual.
I've driven better shifters, but it's not a pig at all, just different.

1st gear in both boxes will hit about 70mph, and after that all the gears are packed in pretty tight for some great pulling.

I drive the Gallardo all the time, it's easy.
The SL should be an easy cruse, and it's all done for you when you drive a MB

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Do we know the 0-150mph times of the Gallardo to the SL65?
The SL is a grunt monster like no other, and easy to get great speed out of.
I love the grunt of the SL 55, it can be used at any time, but the Gallardo will awaken the spirit in your pants once it turns past 4-5k.
Give it a kick in the guts and you will want more.
Get an aftermarket exhaust and the hair on your neck will go stiff.
Both go hard in a straight line but their very different cars, the Lambo has a very sports/mini supercar focus, and the SL range is predominately luxury with grunt at the top end of the range.

PS..Sorry for the rewrite on the post I knocked out a few weeks ago now...I didn't see it till after I posted this one.
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Old Feb 23, 2005 | 09:35 AM
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in my book any lambo is cool... one day ill have a diablo i hope
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