SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: First impressions: KLEEMANN SL65 ECU upgrade
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Seriously doubt here you go Kleemann sl 65 630 hp/762Tq rear wheel dyno
Kleemann SL 65 Rearwheel Dyno
before 528hp/656Tq rear wheel
after 630hp/763TQ rear wheel
chart attached .
Hot day little fan. 3rd gear 4 5 th would be higher #'s
before 528hp/656Tq rear wheel
after 630hp/763TQ rear wheel
chart attached .
Hot day little fan. 3rd gear 4 5 th would be higher #'s
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I've been researching these engines for quite sometime, never have I seen a STOCK 65 motor put down 694 RWTO
on average they put down 500-520 RWHP 630-650 RWTO in STOCK FORM. Please post this dyno
I know there can be factory freaks but this is def NOT the average STOCK 65 AMG
Only after an ECU tune have these type of #'s been seen...
on average they put down 500-520 RWHP 630-650 RWTO in STOCK FORM. Please post this dyno I know there can be factory freaks but this is def NOT the average STOCK 65 AMG Only after an ECU tune have these type of #'s been seen...I am trying to get the graph.....
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Kleemann 65 amg dyno 2 stock 3 upgrade runs.pdf630 hp / 762 Tq Rearwheel that's why you Kleemann a SL 65 , not a 600 or a E55 , all nice but not comparable .
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Attachment 156026630 hp / 762 Tq Rearwheel that's why you Kleemann a SL 65 , not a 600 or a E55 , all nice but not comparable .
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Attachment 156026630 hp / 762 Tq Rearwheel that's why you Kleemann a SL 65 , not a 600 or a E55 , all nice but not comparable .
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If I am not mistaken these figures appear to be done at the Kleemann USA facility in Colorado Springs, CO. Who hand wrote all the commentary on the side? When I was talking to Cory at Kleemann he mentioned that they report all their dyno hp figures at the crank. I think that is what happened here. All those figures are all at the crank....which isn't bad considering that Colorado Springs is 5,000+ft above sea-level.
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My friend just had his Kleemann S600 dyno'd a few weeks back and got 465 HP, 625 Ftlb Torque to the wheel (on a dyno dynamics dynometer). My stock S600 got 450 HP and 560 Ftlb Torque on the same meter last weekend. The gains don't seem as impressive as I thought they would be. I am thinking about going Renntech.
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If I am not mistaken these figures appear to be done at the Kleemann USA facility in Colorado Springs, CO. Who hand wrote all the commentary on the side? When I was talking to Cory at Kleemann he mentioned that they report all their dyno hp figures at the crank. I think that is what happened here. All those figures are all at the crank....which isn't bad considering that Colorado Springs is 5,000+ft above sea-level.
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I knew these #'s were 
& not remotely possible @ rear wheels w/only ECU
630 hp / 762 Tq Rearwheel that's why you Kleemann a SL 65 , not a 600 or a E55 , all nice but not comparable
Everyone here knows Kleemann's in house dyno reports corrected Crank HP/TQ readings, welcome to the club
600 & E55's are every bit as potent when modded by Kleemann.Take a trip over to Dragtimes........ & puruse all the Dyno & 1/4 mile data for all (3) models N' report back M' kay.........
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My friend just had his Kleemann S600 dyno'd a few weeks back and got 465 HP, 625 Ftlb Torque to the wheel (on a dyno dynamics dynometer). My stock S600 got 450 HP and 560 Ftlb Torque on the same meter last weekend. The gains don't seem as impressive as I thought they would be. I am thinking about going Renntech.
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My friend just had his Kleemann S600 dyno'd a few weeks back and got 465 HP, 625 Ftlb Torque to the wheel (on a dyno dynamics dynometer). My stock S600 got 450 HP and 560 Ftlb Torque on the same meter last weekend. The gains don't seem as impressive as I thought they would be. I am thinking about going Renntech.
I believe your friend dyno'd his S600 on our dyno day here in Chicago, and 465rwhp on a dyno dynamics is a VERY strong ECU'd 600.
I have dyno'd almost a dozen of my own personal cars (including a RENNTech SL600, and a stock SL65) and seen countless others on dyno dynamics. 450rwhp is not possible for a stock 600 on DD.
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Impossible your stock S600 did 450rwhp on a dyno dynamics. On a dynojet, yes, on a dyno dynamics. Not a chance.
I believe your friend dyno'd his S600 on our dyno day here in Chicago, and 465rwhp on a dyno dynamics is a VERY strong ECU'd 600.
I have dyno'd almost a dozen of my own personal cars (including a RENNTech SL600, and a stock SL65) and seen countless others on dyno dynamics. 450rwhp is not possible for a stock 600 on DD.
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I believe your friend dyno'd his S600 on our dyno day here in Chicago, and 465rwhp on a dyno dynamics is a VERY strong ECU'd 600.
I have dyno'd almost a dozen of my own personal cars (including a RENNTech SL600, and a stock SL65) and seen countless others on dyno dynamics. 450rwhp is not possible for a stock 600 on DD.
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I was feeling a bit bad cuz Treynor's did 480 hp on a different dyno on dragtimes. I didn't think there could be that much difference between dyno's.
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Marcus: You had renntech SL600, would you go Renntech again or would you go Kleemann (if price wasnt the issue)? I wanted to come that day you guys were dyno'ing, but had prior commitments. Hopefully, I'll see you guys at the next event.
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Thanks for the graph, but I'm sorry to tell you, either your S600 isn't stock, or something was up with the dyno when you made your pass. It's strange that it's CPT, who definitely knows how to dyno these cars, so I will have to ask Al.
As I mentioned before, I've dyno'd quite a few cars at CPT, have organized two AMG dyno days there, etc. I've seen a LOT of AMG cars dyno there, so I know what numbers they should make.
Here are some other comprable figures from that day to put things in perspective
Stock 55, 400rwhp (Rated @ 500hp)
VRP600+ E55, 464rwhp (Rated @ 600hp+)
ECU'd S600 465rwhp (Rated @ 627hp)
My SL600 RENNTech and SL65 both dyno'd in the 440 range with failing water pumps as well, but if they were running 100% I'd put them in the 450-460 range also.
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On the other hand, Cory @ Kleemann is always prompt, cordial, and he is extremely knowledgeable. Klemmann makes a good product and while they are not perfect (NO ONE is), they work hard when things go awry to make them right. I would not even consider RENNTech again for my cars at this point.
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+ 1000 on what Marcus has noted as well as current pricing for Kleemann ECU/TCU is only $3k the RENNtech equivalent is North of $6k last time I chk'd
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
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+ 1000 on what Marcus has noted as well as current pricing for Kleemann ECU/TCU is only $3k the RENNtech equivalent is North of $6k last time I chk'd
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
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+ 1000 on what Marcus has noted as well as current pricing for Kleemann ECU/TCU is only $3k the RENNtech equivalent is North of $6k last time I chk'd
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
Independent dyno's prove they both make the same power, if they were equally priced I'd still go Kleemann (I've read a few past RENNtech tunes made less than advertised power on members cars here) Kleemann seems to be on point
That mean's more money to buy replacement tires once insta-torque kicks in. 
Please post your baseline and your ecu/tcu numbers once you get it done bro.
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Marcus: I just talked with Al and he did 3 pulls that all were in 440-450 range with same settings as the dyno day. I checked with my friend who had his S600 on the dyno (he knows my car in and out) and he said he is sure its completely stock. I do drive the car hard regularly, maybe the engine is starting to like it?
Right now, I'm leaning to Renntech, but I would agree with you that Cory is superb to deal with and Renntech is a bit difficult. Renntech claims they are the only one with a software programmer on staff. I emailed them my dyno to see what they would say. I would agree that if price is an issue, Kleeman would be the best choice.
Right now, I'm leaning to Renntech, but I would agree with you that Cory is superb to deal with and Renntech is a bit difficult. Renntech claims they are the only one with a software programmer on staff. I emailed them my dyno to see what they would say. I would agree that if price is an issue, Kleeman would be the best choice.
