SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: First impressions: KLEEMANN SL65 ECU upgrade
05-04-2009, 06:47 PM
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If I am not mistaken these figures appear to be done at the Kleemann USA facility in Colorado Springs, CO. Who hand wrote all the commentary on the side? When I was talking to Cory at Kleemann he mentioned that they report all their dyno hp figures at the crank. I think that is what happened here. All those figures are all at the crank....which isn't bad considering that Colorado Springs is 5,000+ft above sea-level.
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Im pointing to elevation as the main reason why his stock numbers are low, dyno shows highest baseline was 528hp 656trq at the crank.
05-04-2009, 07:17 PM
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Ahh ok! I've seen a lot of great Renntech 600/65 cars on dragtimes but never a lot of tuned Kleemann 600s and 65s in terms of 1/4 mile and dynos. Of course we have the thread starter who posted his but those numbers but I prefer rwhp. I saw the sale they are offering on Kleemann stuff, and it's a steal as you're paying half price and getting the great power. 
That mean's more money to buy replacement tires once insta-torque kicks in. 
Please post your baseline and your ecu/tcu numbers once you get it done bro. 
That mean's more money to buy replacement tires once insta-torque kicks in. Please post your baseline and your ecu/tcu numbers once you get it done bro. PS any tips on Dynoing my car besides 4th gear runs, do I need to put in Dyno mode to get a proper reading?
05-04-2009, 11:12 PM
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Kleemann does rearwheel hp
Kleemann can correct the hp to crank it but only a guess , The numbers are rear wheel as per Bradon and Cory dyno .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
05-04-2009, 11:15 PM
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Wrong they are rearwheel
They are rearwheel not crank , 739 hp and 853 Tq is crank guess.
630 hp 772 Tq are rearwheel .
Your lack of checking has everone fired up.
Check things before open mouth and inserting foot.
630 hp 772 Tq are rearwheel .
Your lack of checking has everone fired up.
Check things before open mouth and inserting foot.
05-04-2009, 11:20 PM
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Kleemann can correct the hp to crank it but only a guess , The numbers are rear wheel as per Bradon and Cory dyno .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
Congrats to you then if you're packing that much to the rear wheels! Enjoy taking it to the strip and running it on the street.
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
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It's not my lack of checking, i was just basing it on what one member stated about Kleemann numbers being crank numbers.
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
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Marcus: I just talked with Al and he did 3 pulls that all were in 440-450 range with same settings as the dyno day. I checked with my friend who had his S600 on the dyno (he knows my car in and out) and he said he is sure its completely stock. I do drive the car hard regularly, maybe the engine is starting to like it?
I'm sorry to say, but all things equal, your car stock cannot make 450rwhp on a dyno dynamics. It's not a question of if you drive your car hard, factory freak, whatever. It's not possible. 450rwhp on dyno dynamics is over 600hp at the crank.
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05-05-2009, 12:02 AM
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M,
I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
05-05-2009, 04:15 AM
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I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
jg8881 you're totally lost
NO WAY in hell are you making 630 RWHP w/only Kleemann tune, it's well known Kleemanns dyno in CO is set to give you CORRECTED CRANK BHP #'s What octane is it tuned for? 93?
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05-05-2009, 09:36 AM
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Kleemann can correct the hp to crank it but only a guess , The numbers are rear wheel as per Bradon and Cory dyno .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
That is a misqoute . Wisdom is measured by facts not gossip.
Drag time's please , e55, 600 and etc can't hold a candle to cubic in and tq.
Dragtime has varibles of reaction time, age of driver, tires, etc etc etc.
At 1800 ft elevation a 10.5 sec 1/4 without lights .
Tom
05-05-2009, 12:24 PM
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I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
I thought S600's give around 625 hp stock (According to Dino, Mercedes underrates the numbers so not to compete with the AMG line).
I was getting the boost gauge installed this week along with ECU/TCU tune, but will wait now on the ECU/TCU to do another dyno. I appreciate you letting me know. These are the things I checked: I constantly hit the speed limiter at 130mph and I hit the C/S button and no M shows up (no TCU upgrade).
You should not be hitting the speed limiter at 130, it should be at 155.
If you want to email me to help you sort this out, I'd be more than happy. I'm guessing you have an ECU tune already, and just don't know it.
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05-05-2009, 03:06 PM
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That is unless of course you have more done to your vehicle that your are not disclosing...
05-05-2009, 05:58 PM
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Wow that is surprising, I do not recall hitting a 130mph limiter in my 600 without an ECU.
The top speed limiter, however, is not a surefire way to tell if you've been modified or not. I've seen a few reports from various tuners that early ECU tunes did not properly do away with top speed limiters on certain cars. Best way to tell on the Biturbo cars is to get a boost reading.
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The top speed limiter, however, is not a surefire way to tell if you've been modified or not. I've seen a few reports from various tuners that early ECU tunes did not properly do away with top speed limiters on certain cars. Best way to tell on the Biturbo cars is to get a boost reading.
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05-05-2009, 06:02 PM
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Looks like this is a battle of the V12TT's in da houze! Anyone know about same figs for a 55K engine for SL55AMG? In terms of hp and then modded with tune?
And how's the Kleeman vs. Renntech (vs. say VRP in the mix) story work out here? I'm more than likely going with a custom dyno tune down the road but I am curious bout what's the best canned tune...
And how's the Kleeman vs. Renntech (vs. say VRP in the mix) story work out here? I'm more than likely going with a custom dyno tune down the road but I am curious bout what's the best canned tune...
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Here are some other comprable figures from that day to put things in perspective
Stock 55, 400rwhp (Rated @ 500hp)
VRP600+ E55, 464rwhp (Rated @ 600hp+)
ECU'd S600 465rwhp (Rated @ 627hp)
My SL600 RENNTech and SL65 both dyno'd in the 440 range with failing water pumps as well, but if they were running 100% I'd put them in the 450-460 range also.
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Stock 55, 400rwhp (Rated @ 500hp)
VRP600+ E55, 464rwhp (Rated @ 600hp+)
ECU'd S600 465rwhp (Rated @ 627hp)
My SL600 RENNTech and SL65 both dyno'd in the 440 range with failing water pumps as well, but if they were running 100% I'd put them in the 450-460 range also.
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05-08-2009, 11:41 AM
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Call Cory or Brandon at Kleemann USA 719-473-6441 tell them Blaine sent you.
ECU removel ship and return plus $2500 .The dyno on mine was unreal . Ask for a copy of my dyno chart before and after.
How can I order an ECU from Kleeman? Does anyone know how much one costs for the SL65 2006?
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ECU removel ship and return plus $2500 .The dyno on mine was unreal . Ask for a copy of my dyno chart before and after.
How can I order an ECU from Kleeman? Does anyone know how much one costs for the SL65 2006?
Viraj[/quote]
