SLR/C199/R199/Z199: HOw do people pay for it?
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I don't know if you're going to find any available statistics on this one....
According to reports, only 200 SLR's were sold in 2005....
My experience is that folks buying an SLR are paying cash on the barrelhead.
According to reports, only 200 SLR's were sold in 2005....
My experience is that folks buying an SLR are paying cash on the barrelhead.
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I haven't ever asked specifically about the SLR, but I was at my dealer admiring a Maybach 57 one day and I asked the sales guy the same basic question. Like ClayJ said, I was told that when things like that are sold, they generally aren't financed. Basically, if you can afford it, you just go in and buy it. Must be nice, right?
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Originally Posted by ClayJ
I don't know if you're going to find any available statistics on this one....
According to reports, only 200 SLR's were sold in 2005....
My experience is that folks buying an SLR are paying cash on the barrelhead.
According to reports, only 200 SLR's were sold in 2005....
My experience is that folks buying an SLR are paying cash on the barrelhead.
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If MB credit isn't offering a lease on a SLR, I would thing that you could still find a leasing company that would. I think you would need more that just a good FICO score to qualify though. I would guess the person who might lease this car would lease it through their company as a company car such as doctors and lawyers.
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Hahahaha, imagine that you did finance the car though. Let's say with 20% down, you're financing 400k. And you're paying it off in 5 years-- this is all the bare minimum btw. And, you're getting it at 6%. Again, these numbers are VERY low, I'm just assuming the best.
YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENTS WOULD BE $7733.12!!!
Can you imagine spending $7,800 a month on a ****ING CAR??? lol.
YOUR MONTHLY PAYMENTS WOULD BE $7733.12!!!
Can you imagine spending $7,800 a month on a ****ING CAR??? lol.
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I emailed the Canadian sales rep for the SLR Mclaren a while back out of curiosity just to see what the lease would be on an SLR this is the response - don't forget this is Canadian Dollars:
"The lease depends on a pre-payment, but to give you an idea, you are
looking at $7,900 +tax for 36 months with $150K down,
Please let me know if you need anything else"
Tax for a car in Canada is a I believe 15% if its GST(7) and PST(8) It may just be one or the other.
"The lease depends on a pre-payment, but to give you an idea, you are
looking at $7,900 +tax for 36 months with $150K down,
Please let me know if you need anything else"
Tax for a car in Canada is a I believe 15% if its GST(7) and PST(8) It may just be one or the other.
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I wonder how you justify to the IRS that you need an SLR for the company car? That would be awesome to tax deduct and LSR if you can get away with it. I would love to hear the IRS agent talking to someone and the person replies, "I need an SLR cuz the company pays me to drive around in a SLR to get to work" 
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People do lease cars like this
I suspect this tactic crosses the to the bad side of gray.... but it is not uncommon for a high end car (SLR, Enzo....) to be leased, and here is how:
Lease the car through the your company, resulting in huge monthly payments, that the company takes as a tax deduction for "business use" % of monthly pmts. It is a car that probably gets little use, so once a year the owner takes a lengthy "business trip" in the car, such that business use is 80 or 90% of total use. The lease is structured so that they buyout option is very low i.e. 15% residual. Then at the end of the lease, the individual (not the company) buys the car. Thus, you take a $400K car such as the SLR do a two year lease that has an option to buy at $60K, the company would have expenses 80 or 90% of $340K (plus interest) in the form of lease payments, and the owner of the Company buys the car in his name at the end of the lease for dirt cheap. A tactic such as this pays for the car while reducing corporate tax and personal tax. While I don't believe it is ethical, it can effectively reduce the cars cost by 50+%, net of tax benefits, when compared to how the average man has to pay for a car.
Lease the car through the your company, resulting in huge monthly payments, that the company takes as a tax deduction for "business use" % of monthly pmts. It is a car that probably gets little use, so once a year the owner takes a lengthy "business trip" in the car, such that business use is 80 or 90% of total use. The lease is structured so that they buyout option is very low i.e. 15% residual. Then at the end of the lease, the individual (not the company) buys the car. Thus, you take a $400K car such as the SLR do a two year lease that has an option to buy at $60K, the company would have expenses 80 or 90% of $340K (plus interest) in the form of lease payments, and the owner of the Company buys the car in his name at the end of the lease for dirt cheap. A tactic such as this pays for the car while reducing corporate tax and personal tax. While I don't believe it is ethical, it can effectively reduce the cars cost by 50+%, net of tax benefits, when compared to how the average man has to pay for a car.
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farrbar, you are one correct man.
If you can afford to even go seriously look at an SLR, then chances are you have the money to just flat out buy the car (which is what most do). Sadly enough, quite a few of the SLRs will be bought and paid for by the method so well described ^ by farrbar. There are many corporate tax loopholes, that being one of them.
If you can afford to even go seriously look at an SLR, then chances are you have the money to just flat out buy the car (which is what most do). Sadly enough, quite a few of the SLRs will be bought and paid for by the method so well described ^ by farrbar. There are many corporate tax loopholes, that being one of them.
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Originally Posted by McLAREN SLR
This is what the Insurance cost per year on my SLR here in New York
cost of a slr = at least more than 11 times the cost of my car
insurance cost/yr = only 3.6 times more than the insurance cost/yr for my car.
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Originally Posted by farrbar
The lease is structured so that they buyout option is very low i.e. 15% residual. Then at the end of the lease, the individual (not the company) buys the car. Thus, you take a $400K car such as the SLR do a two year lease that has an option to buy at $60K, the company would have expenses 80 or 90% of $340K (plus interest) in the form of lease payments, and the owner of the Company buys the car in his name at the end of the lease for dirt cheap. A tactic such as this pays for the car while reducing corporate tax and personal tax. While I don't believe it is ethical, it can effectively reduce the cars cost by 50+%, net of tax benefits, when compared to how the average man has to pay for a car.
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I agree with Abalto... Paying fair market value for the car after the lease ends is probably a good way to keep this on the up and up.
Big money car leases aren't unusual for business owners as long as the business itself can afford the payment. In most cases, the company car is considered a benefit and imputed as income but since they're the business owner, it usually doesn't prevent them from doing so.
I was at the American College of Cardiology a couple weeks ago and an auto leasing company was at the exhibit hall. http://www.doctorsautolease.com/ specializes in big money car leases.
Big money car leases aren't unusual for business owners as long as the business itself can afford the payment. In most cases, the company car is considered a benefit and imputed as income but since they're the business owner, it usually doesn't prevent them from doing so.
I was at the American College of Cardiology a couple weeks ago and an auto leasing company was at the exhibit hall. http://www.doctorsautolease.com/ specializes in big money car leases.
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Playing tax games with a $500K car is only going to get one in trouble -- and then compound the error with the entirely abnormal business expenses related to its upkeep.... You're not going to filter successfully through the IRS's "averages" software -
Contrary to popular belief, what you see in the movies, and the philosophy of the current Administration in Washington DC, purposely breaking the law is never a good idea -- and very, very seldom worth it.....
Contrary to popular belief, what you see in the movies, and the philosophy of the current Administration in Washington DC, purposely breaking the law is never a good idea -- and very, very seldom worth it.....
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Originally Posted by ClayJ
Playing tax games with a $500K car is only going to get one in trouble -- and then compound the error with the entirely abnormal business expenses related to its upkeep.... You're not going to filter successfully through the IRS's "averages" software -
Contrary to popular belief, what you see in the movies, and the philosophy of the current Administration in Washington DC, purposely breaking the law is never a good idea -- and very, very seldom worth it.....
Contrary to popular belief, what you see in the movies, and the philosophy of the current Administration in Washington DC, purposely breaking the law is never a good idea -- and very, very seldom worth it.....
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Originally Posted by ClayJ
Contrary to popular belief, what you see in the movies, and the philosophy of the current Administration in Washington DC, purposely breaking the law is never a good idea -- and very, very seldom worth it.....
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Originally Posted by farrbar
I suspect this tactic crosses the to the bad side of gray.... but it is not uncommon for a high end car (SLR, Enzo....) to be leased, and here is how:
Lease the car through the your company, resulting in huge monthly payments, that the company takes as a tax deduction for "business use" % of monthly pmts. It is a car that probably gets little use, so once a year the owner takes a lengthy "business trip" in the car, such that business use is 80 or 90% of total use. The lease is structured so that they buyout option is very low i.e. 15% residual. Then at the end of the lease, the individual (not the company) buys the car. Thus, you take a $400K car such as the SLR do a two year lease that has an option to buy at $60K, the company would have expenses 80 or 90% of $340K (plus interest) in the form of lease payments, and the owner of the Company buys the car in his name at the end of the lease for dirt cheap. A tactic such as this pays for the car while reducing corporate tax and personal tax. While I don't believe it is ethical, it can effectively reduce the cars cost by 50+%, net of tax benefits, when compared to how the average man has to pay for a car.
Lease the car through the your company, resulting in huge monthly payments, that the company takes as a tax deduction for "business use" % of monthly pmts. It is a car that probably gets little use, so once a year the owner takes a lengthy "business trip" in the car, such that business use is 80 or 90% of total use. The lease is structured so that they buyout option is very low i.e. 15% residual. Then at the end of the lease, the individual (not the company) buys the car. Thus, you take a $400K car such as the SLR do a two year lease that has an option to buy at $60K, the company would have expenses 80 or 90% of $340K (plus interest) in the form of lease payments, and the owner of the Company buys the car in his name at the end of the lease for dirt cheap. A tactic such as this pays for the car while reducing corporate tax and personal tax. While I don't believe it is ethical, it can effectively reduce the cars cost by 50+%, net of tax benefits, when compared to how the average man has to pay for a car.
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Originally Posted by NY C32
I agree 100% but you could, as a business owner, legally and ethically lease any vehicle you want through your business as your company car. You could even buy a car and lease it to your company for you to use.
Unless one is in the supercar business (or a MBZ dealer who sells alot of SLR's, perhaps) I seriously doubt that the claimant would survive the challenging of the expenses and deductions.... Seriously doubt it.
And fraud is fraud -- doesn't really matter usually in the end how well one can dress it up in the beginning....
And then there is the whole matter of constructive, taxable income to the owner or officer using the 'company' car....
And on and on it goes....
It's just dumb, really -- and many dumb people go to prison over their stupidity...which 'seemed like a good idea (to them) at the time'....
Last edited by ClayJ; Apr 4, 2006 at 02:36 PM.
