SLS/R197/C197 AMG: Porsche 911 vs. SLS -- a fair comparison??
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2007 S 600 / '06 911 Porsche C4S cab
Porsche 911 vs. SLS -- a fair comparison??
Many people would say that a 911 C4S is the ultimate sports car for handling and "feeling" like a true sports car. To me an SL 550 is like a mini S class not really a "sports car".
But -- is the SLS really better than a 911? Of course there is no cabriolet and it looks like there's a big blind spot. I drive an S 600 and a 911 and wonder how happy SLS owners are.
Any SLS owners previously drive a 911?
But -- is the SLS really better than a 911? Of course there is no cabriolet and it looks like there's a big blind spot. I drive an S 600 and a 911 and wonder how happy SLS owners are.
Any SLS owners previously drive a 911?
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Have owned various new 997S, 997TT, 996TTS in past...and very familiar w/997GT2 and 997TTS on public rds
Own SLS and '10 CL65 (and eagerly await Nov build '11 CL65)
IMO, VWs are great in steering precision and PCCB pedal feel on a smooth, dry track but lacking in tq, lack of turbo lag (in 997TTS/GT2), modern gearboxes, chassis stability on fast urban fwys or mtn twisties, and pathetically lack visceral, inspiring exhaust notes at any speed (GT2 sounds like a $200K+ Prius Turbo)
Would argue SLS is world's most enjoyable mtn twisties car today, but inferior to '10 CL65 on fast fwys (lack of tq and slightly weaker high-speed stability) and urban commuting (jerky DCT box, though otherwise a very comfortable, daily-useable car, even on steep CA hills/garage ramps)...and vastly superior to any VW or Fiat in similar use
Definition of a "sports car" or "GT car" is fairly meaningless, archaic and subjective in era of 600hp+/700+lb-ft, latest-tech 5000lb cars (Aren't lil M3 Cabs ~4500lbs these days? Aren't 458 Cabs going to weigh ~3700lbs, despite zero safety structures/tech and dubious fuel tanks??) enjoyed as daily commuter cars in CA, where one has nr-perfect yr-round weather, unusually fast urban fwys and mtn twisties nr where those who can afford such cars live/work....who the hell in CA who owns SLS and CL65 actually drives btwn SF and BH (the mythical "GT" nonsense)...or visits a track in Podunk (Laguna and Infineon are in Podunk w/zero competent healthcare if one is involved in a crash)???
Own SLS and '10 CL65 (and eagerly await Nov build '11 CL65)
IMO, VWs are great in steering precision and PCCB pedal feel on a smooth, dry track but lacking in tq, lack of turbo lag (in 997TTS/GT2), modern gearboxes, chassis stability on fast urban fwys or mtn twisties, and pathetically lack visceral, inspiring exhaust notes at any speed (GT2 sounds like a $200K+ Prius Turbo)
Would argue SLS is world's most enjoyable mtn twisties car today, but inferior to '10 CL65 on fast fwys (lack of tq and slightly weaker high-speed stability) and urban commuting (jerky DCT box, though otherwise a very comfortable, daily-useable car, even on steep CA hills/garage ramps)...and vastly superior to any VW or Fiat in similar use
Definition of a "sports car" or "GT car" is fairly meaningless, archaic and subjective in era of 600hp+/700+lb-ft, latest-tech 5000lb cars (Aren't lil M3 Cabs ~4500lbs these days? Aren't 458 Cabs going to weigh ~3700lbs, despite zero safety structures/tech and dubious fuel tanks??) enjoyed as daily commuter cars in CA, where one has nr-perfect yr-round weather, unusually fast urban fwys and mtn twisties nr where those who can afford such cars live/work....who the hell in CA who owns SLS and CL65 actually drives btwn SF and BH (the mythical "GT" nonsense)...or visits a track in Podunk (Laguna and Infineon are in Podunk w/zero competent healthcare if one is involved in a crash)???
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Have owned various new 997S, 997TT, 996TTS in past...and very familiar w/997GT2 and 997TTS on public rds
Own SLS and '10 CL65 (and eagerly await Nov build '11 CL65)
IMO, VWs are great in steering precision and PCCB pedal feel on a smooth, dry track but lacking in tq, lack of turbo lag (in 997TTS/GT2), modern gearboxes, chassis stability on fast urban fwys or mtn twisties, and pathetically lack visceral, inspiring exhaust notes at any speed (GT2 sounds like a $200K+ Prius Turbo)
Would argue SLS is world's most enjoyable mtn twisties car today, but inferior to '10 CL65 on fast fwys (lack of tq and slightly weaker high-speed stability) and urban commuting (jerky DCT box, though otherwise a very comfortable, daily-useable car, even on steep CA hills/garage ramps)...and vastly superior to any VW or Fiat in similar use
Definition of a "sports car" or "GT car" is fairly meaningless, archaic and subjective in era of 600hp+/700+lb-ft, latest-tech 5000lb cars (Aren't lil M3 Cabs ~4500lbs these days? Aren't 458 Cabs going to weigh ~3700lbs, despite zero safety structures/tech and dubious fuel tanks??) enjoyed as daily commuter cars in CA, where one has nr-perfect yr-round weather, unusually fast urban fwys and mtn twisties nr where those who can afford such cars live/work....who the hell in CA who owns SLS and CL65 actually drives btwn SF and BH (the mythical "GT" nonsense)...or visits a track in Podunk (Laguna and Infineon are in Podunk w/zero competent healthcare if one is involved in a crash)???
Own SLS and '10 CL65 (and eagerly await Nov build '11 CL65)
IMO, VWs are great in steering precision and PCCB pedal feel on a smooth, dry track but lacking in tq, lack of turbo lag (in 997TTS/GT2), modern gearboxes, chassis stability on fast urban fwys or mtn twisties, and pathetically lack visceral, inspiring exhaust notes at any speed (GT2 sounds like a $200K+ Prius Turbo)
Would argue SLS is world's most enjoyable mtn twisties car today, but inferior to '10 CL65 on fast fwys (lack of tq and slightly weaker high-speed stability) and urban commuting (jerky DCT box, though otherwise a very comfortable, daily-useable car, even on steep CA hills/garage ramps)...and vastly superior to any VW or Fiat in similar use
Definition of a "sports car" or "GT car" is fairly meaningless, archaic and subjective in era of 600hp+/700+lb-ft, latest-tech 5000lb cars (Aren't lil M3 Cabs ~4500lbs these days? Aren't 458 Cabs going to weigh ~3700lbs, despite zero safety structures/tech and dubious fuel tanks??) enjoyed as daily commuter cars in CA, where one has nr-perfect yr-round weather, unusually fast urban fwys and mtn twisties nr where those who can afford such cars live/work....who the hell in CA who owns SLS and CL65 actually drives btwn SF and BH (the mythical "GT" nonsense)...or visits a track in Podunk (Laguna and Infineon are in Podunk w/zero competent healthcare if one is involved in a crash)???
You are suggesting a CL65 out accelerates an SLS?
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CLS55 2006, CLS 63S 2015
Juciy i know u love the 63 engine...but
this just goes to show you its just not up there
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/4/qwIaYc4QSz0
I raced that same Scud & beat it....am not stock no, but i am not an SLS either!!!!
this just goes to show you its just not up there
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/4/qwIaYc4QSz0
I raced that same Scud & beat it....am not stock no, but i am not an SLS either!!!!
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Juciy i know u love the 63 engine...but
this just goes to show you its just not up there
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/4/qwIaYc4QSz0
I raced that same Scud & beat it....am not stock no, but i am not an SLS either!!!!
this just goes to show you its just not up there
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/4/qwIaYc4QSz0
I raced that same Scud & beat it....am not stock no, but i am not an SLS either!!!!
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/gtb...s-sls-amg.html
Obviously your car is modded, the stock SLS will trap 126 mph and there is no possibility of this in a stock CLS 55 or CL 65. Sorry folks this NA car will out accelerate a CL 65 or SL 65 or even the new S63. POWER TO WEIGHT is great in the SLS
Last edited by juicee63; Oct 26, 2010 at 09:34 PM.
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CLS55 2006, CLS 63S 2015
Perhaps the driver needs a lesson. The SLS will dominate a stock CL 65 , it is 1500 less pounds and has 30 less hp , comon..
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/gtb...s-sls-amg.html
Obviously your car is modded, the stock SLS will trap 126 mph and there is no possibility of this in a stock CLS 55 or CL 65. Sorry folks this NA car will out accelerate a CL 65 or SL 65 or even the new S63. POWER TO WEIGHT is great in the SLS
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/gtb...s-sls-amg.html
Obviously your car is modded, the stock SLS will trap 126 mph and there is no possibility of this in a stock CLS 55 or CL 65. Sorry folks this NA car will out accelerate a CL 65 or SL 65 or even the new S63. POWER TO WEIGHT is great in the SLS
on the other hand the cali is no where near as fast as a scud....i don't even think the cali is even faster then a normal f430 for that mater...so nto sure why u show me this vid
and if your going to show me race times done by a mag this is all u will get
with a serious group of people that race cars.i want to see more SLS data though...as am not convinced it is that slow...
and the SL65 we have here (modded) also beats the same scud
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The SLS does have the ultimate 6.2, far more power and rebuilt internals over the version in the E/S/CL and CLK black series...I also think it would edge my 65, the weight deficit is a big one...
now if you wanna talk about speed, the same Scuderia that beat the SLS getting absolutely WALKED bus lengths by a 997 turbo with the pdk tranny....
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/3/ja0qHcinrjQ
now if you wanna talk about speed, the same Scuderia that beat the SLS getting absolutely WALKED bus lengths by a 997 turbo with the pdk tranny....
http://www.youtube.com/user/buzaidGT#p/u/3/ja0qHcinrjQ
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Like i said i was shocked my self, in both races the SLS did not look like it was pulling one bit..
on the other hand the cali is no where near as fast as a scud....i don't even think the cali is even faster then a normal f430 for that mater...so nto sure why u show me this vid
and if your going to show me race times done by a mag this is all u will get with a serious group of people that race cars.
i want to see more SLS data though...as am not convinced it is that slow...
and the SL65 we have here (modded) also beats the same scud
on the other hand the cali is no where near as fast as a scud....i don't even think the cali is even faster then a normal f430 for that mater...so nto sure why u show me this vid
and if your going to show me race times done by a mag this is all u will get
with a serious group of people that race cars.i want to see more SLS data though...as am not convinced it is that slow...
and the SL65 we have here (modded) also beats the same scud
As noted in several threads here , the SLS is not just pretty it is a performer. This car would destroy your examples around a track and it is HALF the price of the F cars
Here it is destroying your beloved Lamborghini errr I mean Audi
http://www.************/car-videos-10...udi-R8-V10.htm
Last edited by juicee63; Oct 29, 2010 at 04:33 AM.
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IMO, VWs are great in steering precision and PCCB pedal feel on a smooth, dry track but lacking in tq, lack of turbo lag (in 997TTS/GT2), modern gearboxes, chassis stability on fast urban fwys or mtn twisties, and pathetically lack visceral, inspiring exhaust notes at any speed (GT2 sounds like a $200K+ Prius Turbo)
