itsmeek

agreed. and once again:

-what kind of hp/tq gains are to be expected with just these cams
-how about with these cams and a flash/tune

reason i ask is because one can get a tune that will give you about 15whp for significantly less. if one gets the same numbers out of the cams, what's the point of buying them?

thanks
meek

jgsx

The point is that most of the people that want them already are tuned and have all the basic bolt ons and are still looking for a little more juice. I wouldn't put these on a stock car. If you have a stock vehicle, you'll get a lot more bang for the buck by doing stage1/pulley+ecu. Those parts are cheaper and the install is easier as well.


Unfortunately I still don't know the actual hp/tq gains from the cams. All of the guesses so far have been wellll uhhh lets sayyyy 15-20hp.

itsmeek

thanks for the reply. that makes sense. i hate to go off topic but i noticed that someone had posted an extremely low priced pulley a while back but when i went on that site i couldn't find it for the c32. what is the lowest priced pully upgrade for the c32?

thanks
meek

jgsx

I think you're talking about the ASP pulley. ASP's website isn't the easiest to navigate, and it is difficult to find the C32 pulley on there. Call them up and order it. I am using the ASP pulley myself.

Zeppelin

I would like to get in on this but unfortunately living here in California makes this a no. I would need headers with the cams and since no one makes CARB legal headers I won't be buying those. Also the cams may make the car fail the sniffer test so those are a no.

Only if I could afford $2000 every two years to have the cams and headers removed and re-installed for the smog test.

m3_eater

I need to know more before jumping. I'm already at Stage 2, so I have headers and I bet that cams will free up breathing on the intake side enough to get a good bump. Thing is, $1500 + lots of $ in labor seems a big price to pay for just 15-20HP. If we can get

(1) A reasonably accurate estimate of gains for Stage 2+ cars, and
(2) A group-buy price closer to $1200 or $1300,

then I'll be in.


P.S. I bet that the gains of a full SL-55 intake (airboxes too, not just y-splitter) will be greater for cammed cars.

N.M.M.

If they can work the price a little better than $1500 im in.

Eurocharged Rick

now that we have the specs for the schrick cams, does anyone know the stock cam specs?


it would be informative to be able to compare the 2 specs and by comparing the specs we may be able to get a better idea about power gains....

The Toy

I'm from the Crossfire boards, but I watch over here for the great info you guys always have. I know that the members here are the experts on MB, but that chart doesn't say anything to me about those cams being for the AMG S/C 3.2. The chart lists these cams for the C, CLK, E, & SLK. I didn't realize that the CLK and E was available with the AMG 3.2.
Has anyone contacted Schrick to verify this? There might be a couple of SRT-6 owners that would be interested in these, and when you get more details about this buy, I'll post on the boards there to possible get you another sale or two.
I'm interested in the cams because that's the biggest difference in our engines and the 19hp loss that we have. If you guys can gain 15-20 hp, I'm hoping to gain 30-35.

jgsx

The M112 isn't the specific AMG motor, it is just that series of V6 motors. They were available in the E and CLK

The Toy

That was the point that I was asking. Has anyone verified that those cams listed from Schrick are for the S/C 3.2 and not for the N/A 3.2. Am I correct that the S/C 3.2 was only for the AMG C32 and SLK32?

John

boohooramblers

I was on the X-fire forum and there's a dude (HDDP) claiming to be able to get these cams for $1,400 due to some discount he gets for being a racing parts dealer/vendor.
Also, on the 'other' MB forum, there's a guy who has kleemann cams in his SLK32. He didn't dyno with just the cams, but Y-splitter + cams gave him 49whp over Stage 1.

After Kleemann ECU/Pulley
Max HP________Max Torque
311.27_________311.64
----------------------------------------
New performance mods added as of today:
SL55 Y-Pipe
Kleemann Cams
Max HP________Max Torque
360.0__________349.8

Here is the link: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r170...light=Tungster

Sidez

yes you are correct

jgsx

drooool . . .
Now if we could find out what the Kleeman cam specs are. . .

Eurocharged Rick

nice! this is what i was hoping to see...except it doesn't make a lot of sense that the car was only making 311hp after pulleys/ecu?

Sidez

he prolly had a really poor dyno the first time and a really good dyno the second time.. maybe went from wheel dyno to dynopack and lost some humidity, heat, and elevation? although high i think his setup would push 360 on dynopack... ECU+Pulley+Camshafts+SL55 Intake+ Exhaust Work+ LSD (I KNOW it dosnet gain hp)+Spark Plugs + Racing wires

jgsx

Yup. It looks like there was an issue that prevented him from getting a good dyno with the stage1, because he only went from 289rwhp to 311rwhp. That issue was resolved the same time the cam were installed. Hmmm

So he got ~70rwhp gain from pulleys/ecu/SL55 splitter/cams. So who wants to subtract the pulley/ecu/splitter gains from 70?

boohooramblers

I know - he was making 289 before pulley's/ecu so a 22hp gain doesn't sound right for Kleemann Stage 1.

jgsx

So, ~45hp is the normal stage one gain, so 70-45=25. So he gained about 25hp from cams and the splitter, and don't forget, that was with a custom Kleeman tune. So should we expect about 15hp from the cams? I wonder if the Schrick cams make less power than the Kleemans. . .

We need to find the specs of the Kleeman cams

Sidez

they are prolly the same exact cams...

m444

Proper optimization of the cams, should be different for normally aspirated versus a forced induction application. For forced induction applications, the overlap tends to be lower, than normally aspirated.

Also, I thought the Crossfire SRT6 had a different cam profile, than the C32?

Eurocharged Rick

the SRT-6 does have a different cam profile, that is why they make less hp...

jgsx

So I think a lot of us are wondering if the Schrick cams are designed for our forced induction application. Just because they fit and are from a reputable company doesn't mean that they are a good C32 upgrade

Eurocharged Rick

so are you going to find out?

jgsx

Well considering that the vendor never actually got back to me with pricing like they said they would, I doubt that they'll find detailed information for me.