Braheem

http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/vi...ompilation.wmv

Go to 4 min 20 sec into the Video.

15K worth of mods on the Lexus, daily driver.

I know BAD first post You may wanna "right click save as" 50MB video.

CE750

was the E55 stock? Cause some of them modded E's can do low 11's. on the 1/4 mile..

dgussin1

no...only 1 e55 does low 11's modded and he has a lot of mods and a 75+ shot of nitrous.

CE750

I'm willing to be that Toyota is drinking Nitrogen too.. How else do you think they're getting 600hp out of a 3.0?

CE750

BTW... check this out.... Here is an E55 that gets low 11's...

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...42#post1164942

Braheem

Toyota get over 600HP out of a 3.0 litre turbo all day long, there's no NOS involved at 600HP they're a reliable a daily driver in all of the SC300's, GS300's, IS300's and Supras.

CE750

That turbo would have to be monsterous, and that would take a toll on the engine's life in a big way.. possibly more so than Nos. I know of a Toyota that gets 1500 out of a garret turbo that produces 40bar or something.. but lets face it.. put two of those turbos on a 5.5 V8 and you're looking at 2000+ hp... and about 10000 miles before overhaul.

CE750

Again.. here is that E55 11.13

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-5127.html

keep in mind, that car weighs some 4400lbs too.. which makes it even more impressive.

medici78

Yeah, turbo'ed 2JZ is no joke, especially when you swap out for a GTE bottom end. But then you want to add cams, headwork, etc. and the list just piles up. Then you end up with a car that loses a fair degree of reliability and driveability. I had considered buying a 2JZGTE swapped Lexus, but just getting out of a single turbo supra and knowing the headaches that go with it pushed me to just buy a nice car that i would not need to heavily modify to make me happy. Plus the E55 has something no 2JZ car will ever have: low rpm torque. Comes in handy during the morning commute.
Anyone who says a single turbo'ed 2JZ car is as reliable as stock has never owned one. While my singled MKIV Supra wasnt as problematic as others, it did come with its share of headaches which my e55 will never have. High horsepower 2JZ cars (600hp+) require a lot of supporting mods and with these mods comes a higher probability of failure. In fact, the IS300 requires quite a bit more mods (injectors, bottom end to handle boost, ecu, etc. )as it was never intended to be turbocharged.
If you come here to troll and boast about how an E55 can't keep up to a highly modified turbocharged Lexus, you're wasting your time. Many of us are well aware there are faster vehicles out ther, turbo 2JZ powered cars included. A lot of us own or have owned much faster cars with former single'd Supra owners (me included) making up quite a few of the E55 owners.

dgussin1

CE750 that is the same car and the one I am referring to...that is the only low 11 sec E55 around.

BMWEATR

looks like this guy is posting cause he's hate'n on that fact we all got $80,000+ benzs and he's trying to start *****.
wow a lexus beat a E55! whooooo hoooo, cool video though. I'm sure it aint the only lex that can beat one.

RennTechV12

I don't care if that piece of $h!t runs the 1/4 in low 7's, I would much rather drive an E55 anyday. I think it's funny when these dudes heavily mod a car that's worth less than $20k, take off the cats, bolt on a huge turbo, run 116 octane race fuel, take out all the seats and interior parts, break the rear end or tranny every other pass and try to call out a street car like an E55, sl600 or 911 Turbo. We drive these cars to work, dinner in rush hour traffic,etc. To me, a car is superior if it is able to function normally as an every day driver and then tear up the track too.

I've seen a school bus run a 9.62@145. It doesn't mean I want to drive it around.

medici78

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Braheem

I'm not trying to start anything, but I come on these boards and read how the "AMG Gods" made another engine and think to myself Mercedes has done nothing in the past 8 years except ruin it's reputation I've owned an S500, S420, 380SEL and lastly a '98 SL500 all of which were pre 1999.

The year Mercedes decided to change the window buttons from the type they've been using for the past 20 years to the current I knew quality was going down the first time I used the buttons (1998).

When they decided to wrap the windshield pillers in some cheap cloth material when in the past 200 years it's been made out of some type of high quality leather looking material that you cant even burn with a cigarette I was again disapppointed.

When they took out the power window buttons from the center console and put them in the doors I was BEYOND disappointed.

When I sat in a 2001 S for the first time I knew mercedes will never be the same again. I felt the leather (cheap) the plastic (cheap) the door handles (cheap) The steering (soft, non mercedes feeling) the seats (soft, non mercedes feeling) suspension (soft) I could start on the electronics but that's another thread in itself.

I'm far from a hater, I've loved mercedes for years, nothing on the road was even close to mercedes standards. Mercedes was the quality and engineering standard by which all cars were measured for decades.

..and now I'm on the boards reading about how Mercedes owners are thinking of trading thier cars for a Vette how much more embarrassment can Mercedes/Chrysler accomplis in less thena decade.

If they think they've made up for it by buying out AMG and coming up with monstrous that dont even make a 100HP per litre they've got that wrong too and this video proves it.

CE750

You make some very good points about MB cutting costs... and that's a lot to do with Chrysler I think... thing ARE going to change for the better now under new leadership. HOWEVER, an MB with all of the cost cutting still looks, drives/rides, and is better constructed than a Toyota, even if that Toyo wears a marketing name called "Lexus" on the trunk.

An E55 AMG is a "classy" car that you can drive and most people wouldn't give you a second look (except the enthusiasts). But a Buzzy, Monster Mod IS300 is going to drop property values in my neighborhood if you parked it in your garage.

BTW... nicely produced Video.. did you use FCP4? or a PeeCee?

CE750

Derek is in the low 11's sure.. but there are quite a few in the mid 11's... still SMOKING fast..

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...ag-Racing.html

Braheem

Better constructed? I doubt it, more reliable NEVER, better looking YES.

Not my Vidoes Bro, here's a few more from the same person


http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/vi.../Galveston.wmv

http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/vi.../galcruise.wmv

http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/vi...ompilation.wmv

http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/vi...y/showdown.wmv

http://chronictel.net/videos/misc/visionboy/vbremix.wmv

AMGE

I agree with RENN12 he offers up a very good analogy... and the vid that BRA refers to means nothing. Coming on a MB forum and bashing MB quality is about like going into a packed NYC sports bar when the Yankees are playing and yelling the Yankees are no good.
Lexus builds very nice high quality vehicles ... but no stock Lexus looks, performs, or drives like a stock AMG vehicle.

CE750

JD Power rates the construction of an MB equal or better than most lexus cars... just go to their comparison website. The ONLY place MB gets nailed, and the Japs win is Reliability... this, and cup holders, and brake dust are what make American buyers so anti-MB.

DRCrowder

it is about total package:

1. Monday I took out 3 clients in comfort in a vehicle that well represented myself and my organization, I know this from their comments and reactions.

2. Wed I went on a date, put the car in comfort mode, put the shocks on soft and she has no idea of what’s under the hood or was left with any impression other than what a safe and comfortable car.

3. Thursday I had to drive 4 hours for a meeting and had my A-Game when I got there since driving that car takes nothing out of me.

4. Friday I took off to the shore for an awesome deep sea fishing trip (2 white marlin, 3 blue fin tuna and about 100lbs of mahi) on the way I raced a 911 4s (997) and an M5 and smoked them both.

This car has all the power, diversity and amenities I could ever ask for and I still find it odd that I consider it a great value when, with my options, it is over 100K.

Braheem

You have to realize you're comparing AMG to Lexus not MB to Lexus, when you compare a stock Lexus to a stock MB, then you'll realize MB has nothing left to brag about without the AMG upgrade.

I'm not bashing I was looking at getting a CLS55 till I started reading the threads here, sad that some dont even make it 5000Miles before major service.

Braheem

...and it's a beautiful car, my beef is that Lexus has the same HP to litre ratio and gets 300K miles out of thier engines without breaking a sweat.

Vader55

LOL !! little homo rice

CE750

well, lets see here, my loweley $58,000 Diesel powered CDI has this to brag about:

-0-60 in 6.6 sec
-0-1/4 14 sec
-369 ft/lb or torque at 1800-2800RPM range
-top speed 149mph
-4000lbs of sedan for added safety (IIHS named E class safest car in the world)
-Average MB CDI cab in Germany has 500,000KM before major overhaul...
-ALL THIS and 40+mpg on diesel that costs 10% less than regular unleaded.

MB sells 65% diesel cars.. The up and coming 4.0 V8 diesel will produce a prodigious 560 ft/lbs or torque at 1400 rpm!!! they're a WORLD CLASS leader in this market. I don't see Toyota diesels performing like this.. do you?

So while AMG is a great high performance wing of MB, it's not the only well made, well engineered and impressive car they make.

Braheem

Mercedes has always made wonderful diesel motors my father 300SD was still in better shape then a friends' 2001 s500 SAD.

Maybe i'm expecting too much, 90HP per litre + reliability does not seem like too much to ask.

The new Lexus IS350 has a 3.5 Litre with 325 HP and will probably still be as reliable as our old 91 LS400 with over 300K.

Do the math and compare it to a 5.5 litre AMG

325hp / 3.5 litres = 92.86 reliable HP per Litre

=> 92.86 HP x 5.5 Litres = 511 HP (preferrably reliable, if not too much to ask)