From 420 N/A BHP to >>???HP<< With Kleemann S/C
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2001: Supercharged E55 AMG
From 420 N/A BHP to >>???HP<< With Kleemann S/C
Hi!
I'm really tempted to jump on the Kleemann S/C "end of year sale" and add to my E55. Even if I've been a bit sceptical to the Eaton concept.
I wonder what I can expect with the mods I have on it now?
Kleemann headers+downpipes
Full exhaust with 2 race cats
Green filter
Special ECU tune for 99 Octane GAS
Even if I've read a few bad stories about Kleemanns Eaton S/C not making enough power, I think my car has a few aspects that can make it climp up to the stated 540 HP.
1: It will be tuned for 99 Octane fuel
2: It leaves 420 HP as it stands now N/A
3: They will run 0,55-0,6 Bar or 7-8,5 Psi according to the Staff in Denmark when I visited them this summer when installing their headers.
What do you say, shall I jump on it
Magnus
I'm really tempted to jump on the Kleemann S/C "end of year sale" and add to my E55. Even if I've been a bit sceptical to the Eaton concept.
I wonder what I can expect with the mods I have on it now?
Kleemann headers+downpipes
Full exhaust with 2 race cats
Green filter
Special ECU tune for 99 Octane GAS
Even if I've read a few bad stories about Kleemanns Eaton S/C not making enough power, I think my car has a few aspects that can make it climp up to the stated 540 HP.
1: It will be tuned for 99 Octane fuel
2: It leaves 420 HP as it stands now N/A
3: They will run 0,55-0,6 Bar or 7-8,5 Psi according to the Staff in Denmark when I visited them this summer when installing their headers.
What do you say, shall I jump on it
Magnus
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I would ask Kleemann for a couple before and after dyno charts. They used to advertise over 150 HP gain. Which was not possible! You spend 15k and get 90 HP. Then they blame your car or the mechanic.
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I am set-up similar, but tuned for lower octane gas we have here...
I ended up with about 500hp at the crank. The entire set-up, from stock to s/c, headers, dps, cats, exhaust, tune was about 150 hp at the crank.
You should be able to get a bit more out of it with higher octane gas... but I don't think you'll be hitting 540
I ended up with about 500hp at the crank. The entire set-up, from stock to s/c, headers, dps, cats, exhaust, tune was about 150 hp at the crank.
You should be able to get a bit more out of it with higher octane gas... but I don't think you'll be hitting 540
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Ok, thanks for your thoughts. I guess a before and after dyno is the way to go, lets see if they can send me that 
Kleemann in Denmark claims they have done many 540 HP W210 E55 with all mods except cams, with the Eaton s/c.
I guess I'd be happy to see 520 Hp at the crank. Thats another 100 Hp on top of what I have now in their dyno
Well, I'll let you know how things turn out
BTW Jeff, any updates on your engine?
Magnus
Kleemann in Denmark claims they have done many 540 HP W210 E55 with all mods except cams, with the Eaton s/c.
I guess I'd be happy to see 520 Hp at the crank. Thats another 100 Hp on top of what I have now in their dyno
Well, I'll let you know how things turn out
BTW Jeff, any updates on your engine?
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ABabone, ask Kleemann to you show you the number,. before and after!! witness it with your own eyes and not what they give you on a piece of paper! Seeing is believing!
Good Luck!
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I'm fairly new to the forum with my 99 E 430 but have had a fair amount of theoretical and practical experience with turbos and superchargers.
Theoretically speaking the Eaton, a PD supercharger, at 8 psi should generate ~ 1.55 over the engine base HP. Unfortunately there are some parasitic losses the largest being the power used to drive the compressor. I don't quite know how much HP it will take to drive the compressor, but ~ 20% of the increase will go to that.
That being said it will then leave the base HP increase at ~ 1.30 to 1.35. In the case of your 420 (assume crank HP) that will result in 546 crank HP or 464 RWHP which is a healthy figure. I would guess the MB safety factor (industry standard is 50% min) on their engine design is sufficiently robust to handle the increase without any undue stress, unless it is abused. I'm assuming the starting point to be the factory 349 HP figure.
On the other hand the cost of the kit, at 15K, which I presume is fully installed, comes back at $125/HP which is a fairly stout price to pay for an increase.
I hope this helps.
I'm fairly new to the forum with my 99 E 430 but have had a fair amount of theoretical and practical experience with turbos and superchargers.
Theoretically speaking the Eaton, a PD supercharger, at 8 psi should generate ~ 1.55 over the engine base HP. Unfortunately there are some parasitic losses the largest being the power used to drive the compressor. I don't quite know how much HP it will take to drive the compressor, but ~ 20% of the increase will go to that.
That being said it will then leave the base HP increase at ~ 1.30 to 1.35. In the case of your 420 (assume crank HP) that will result in 546 crank HP or 464 RWHP which is a healthy figure. I would guess the MB safety factor (industry standard is 50% min) on their engine design is sufficiently robust to handle the increase without any undue stress, unless it is abused. I'm assuming the starting point to be the factory 349 HP figure.
On the other hand the cost of the kit, at 15K, which I presume is fully installed, comes back at $125/HP which is a fairly stout price to pay for an increase.
I hope this helps.
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Hi!
I'm really tempted to jump on the Kleemann S/C "end of year sale" and add to my E55. Even if I've been a bit sceptical to the Eaton concept.
I wonder what I can expect with the mods I have on it now?
Kleemann headers+downpipes
Full exhaust with 2 race cats
Green filter
Special ECU tune for 99 Octane GAS
Even if I've read a few bad stories about Kleemanns Eaton S/C not making enough power, I think my car has a few aspects that can make it climp up to the stated 540 HP.
1: It will be tuned for 99 Octane fuel
2: It leaves 420 HP as it stands now N/A
3: They will run 0,55-0,6 Bar or 7-8,5 Psi according to the Staff in Denmark when I visited them this summer when installing their headers.
What do you say, shall I jump on it
Magnus
I'm really tempted to jump on the Kleemann S/C "end of year sale" and add to my E55. Even if I've been a bit sceptical to the Eaton concept.
I wonder what I can expect with the mods I have on it now?
Kleemann headers+downpipes
Full exhaust with 2 race cats
Green filter
Special ECU tune for 99 Octane GAS
Even if I've read a few bad stories about Kleemanns Eaton S/C not making enough power, I think my car has a few aspects that can make it climp up to the stated 540 HP.
1: It will be tuned for 99 Octane fuel
2: It leaves 420 HP as it stands now N/A
3: They will run 0,55-0,6 Bar or 7-8,5 Psi according to the Staff in Denmark when I visited them this summer when installing their headers.
What do you say, shall I jump on it
Magnus
Are you saying you have 420hp right now N/A? That is great? I have never dynoed mine and was curious how much I would have with the mod I currently have. I was guessing 375hp. My powerchip is tuned to 92, x-pipe and Magnaflow. oh and Sprintbooster. You have aready increase 71hp over stock. Does headers and 99 make up the differance? By the way if I had the money I would jump on it!
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Abalone,
Are you saying you have 420hp right now N/A? That is great? I have never dynoed mine and was curious how much I would have with the mod I currently have. I was guessing 375hp. My powerchip is tuned to 92, x-pipe and Magnaflow. oh and Sprintbooster. You have aready increase 71hp over stock. Does headers and 99 make up the differance? By the way if I had the money I would jump on it!
Are you saying you have 420hp right now N/A? That is great? I have never dynoed mine and was curious how much I would have with the mod I currently have. I was guessing 375hp. My powerchip is tuned to 92, x-pipe and Magnaflow. oh and Sprintbooster. You have aready increase 71hp over stock. Does headers and 99 make up the differance? By the way if I had the money I would jump on it!
420 HP - 354 HP = 66 HP. I also have a trap speed on 402 m on 179,89 Km/h, and that is a really high number for the cars weight.
I know the headers didn't make that big of a difference in feeling, but when I compared to the same cars I've run 50-250 Km/h before and after headers I see that there is a BIG difference
Magnus
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Ince I didn't dyno it before O don't know if it made 354 HP stock. Probably a bit more sice my car is running and are responding really well to the mods I give it.
420 HP - 354 HP = 66 HP. I also have a trap speed on 402 m on 179,89 Km/h, and that is a really high number for the cars weight.
I know the headers didn't make that big of a difference in feeling, but when I compared to the same cars I've run 50-250 Km/h before and after headers I see that there is a BIG difference
Magnus
420 HP - 354 HP = 66 HP. I also have a trap speed on 402 m on 179,89 Km/h, and that is a really high number for the cars weight.
I know the headers didn't make that big of a difference in feeling, but when I compared to the same cars I've run 50-250 Km/h before and after headers I see that there is a BIG difference
Magnus
Even your trap speed is amazing! This is the best I got.
Time recorded 11:53 AM
Temperature °F 90.0
Dew Point °F 55.9
Altimeter Setting 29.94 in Mercury
Density Altitude: 3187.2 feet Track Elelvation: 850 feet
UnCorrected ET:
13.96 (sec) @ 102.55 (MPH)
Corrected ET to Sea Level:
13.423 (sec) @ 106.726 (MPH)
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From: The Land of Blondes...
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Just wanted to let you know that I bought a Kleemann S/C set It's on it's way home right now and will hopefully be installed in March
Really looking forward to this, and even if I won't reach the 540 HP that Kleemann states, I'm looking forward to at least break the magic "500 HP" barrier
It's been a childhood dream to own a "500 HP" car after seeing a Corvette Greenwood many many years ago that had exactly those magic "500 HP"
I think I'm going to be a happy man this summer And to have it in such a classic model a the W210 E55...*mmm* life is good
It's on it's way home right now and will hopefully be installed in March Really looking forward to this, and even if I won't reach the 540 HP that Kleemann states, I'm looking forward to at least break the magic "500 HP" barrier
It's been a childhood dream to own a "500 HP" car after seeing a Corvette Greenwood many many years ago that had exactly those magic "500 HP"
I think I'm going to be a happy man this summer
And to have it in such a classic model a the W210 E55...*mmm* life is good
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I did some comparing just for fun between my car and this E55 that has a Kleemann S/C on it (probably 500 HP).
And between 0-200 Km/h and 100-200 Km/h the Kleemann S/C'ed E55 is a 2 sec faster then my car!! Thats pretty much faster actually, 2 seconds doesn't sound that much, but just look what distans you travel at speeds at 200 Km/h.
My N/A W210 E55 >>
W210 E55 Kleemann S/C
And between 0-200 Km/h and 100-200 Km/h the Kleemann S/C'ed E55 is a 2 sec faster then my car!!
Thats pretty much faster actually, 2 seconds doesn't sound that much, but just look what distans you travel at speeds at 200 Km/h.My N/A W210 E55 >>
W210 E55 Kleemann S/C
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2 secs difference at 200 kmh is ~ 182 ft...quite a distance. Most of it will come midrange with the significant increase in torque.
It would be nice to dyno (same dyno) before and after the install, that will remove any doubts as to the vendor claims.
It would be nice to dyno (same dyno) before and after the install, that will remove any doubts as to the vendor claims.
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