MBH Header Feeler
12-09-2011, 12:48 PM
#26
Super Member
At least I'm honest, I for sure don't want rip anyone off. I was up front with what it would take and the investment I would have to make in order to get this job done. I would rather ask, then come here with a new product and say this is the price. Than get drilled on the price if I was just to build them and offer them for sale. It seems like the W210 would be a loosing venture from a business stand point.
First and fore most I know that what we do is not cheap. What I also know that the materials and build quality are second to none. There will be a very select few who would want a mod like this for there W210 E55. So that really does not constitute the jig.
First and fore most I know that what we do is not cheap. What I also know that the materials and build quality are second to none. There will be a very select few who would want a mod like this for there W210 E55. So that really does not constitute the jig.
There is nothing "magical" about W210 E55 Long-Tube headers only a very limited market size. They are similar to many other V-8 long block dimensions which have tons and tons of long tube header offerings in the proposed MAC price range but in header work, close rarely, if ever, cuts it and a custom design is, of course, needed.
MAC is only offering their capabilities and their pricing which reside in the far more competitive and incomparably larger domestic vehicle performance aftermarket.
Last edited by Schweinhund; 12-09-2011 at 01:01 PM.
12-09-2011, 05:06 PM
#27
MBWorld Fanatic!
Please choose your words carefully. I am being completely open an honest. I transcribed exactly what I had discussed with MAC. I understand yours is a smaller, specialty shop, and that's fine. MAC is a larger company that still does custom runs, and that's where I expect they get their savings.
There is nothing "magical" about W210 E55 Long-Tube headers only a very limited market size. They are similar to many other V-8 long block dimensions which have tons and tons of long tube header offerings in the proposed MAC price range but in header work, close rarely, if ever, cuts it and a custom design is, of course, needed.
MAC is only offering their capabilities and their pricing which reside in the far more competitive and incomparably larger domestic vehicle performance aftermarket.
There is nothing "magical" about W210 E55 Long-Tube headers only a very limited market size. They are similar to many other V-8 long block dimensions which have tons and tons of long tube header offerings in the proposed MAC price range but in header work, close rarely, if ever, cuts it and a custom design is, of course, needed.
MAC is only offering their capabilities and their pricing which reside in the far more competitive and incomparably larger domestic vehicle performance aftermarket.
12-09-2011, 05:07 PM
#28
MBWorld Fanatic!
There is nothing "cheap" about MAC Products. They are good quality and make exhaust parts for less "exclusive" read less expensive, autos such as Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, classic muscle cars etc. And they have doing so for a long time.
Nothing against MBH, I am sure what is proposed here is top quality and materials.
Just because the usually exclusive and high-end MBZ aftermarket may be able to realize a price that is typical for less expensive vehicles with huge aftermarkets (Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc), does NOT mean that a part is cheap. It means someone other than the Euro-aftermarket shops can make products for our cars too and we get the benefits.
Nothing against MBH, I am sure what is proposed here is top quality and materials.
Just because the usually exclusive and high-end MBZ aftermarket may be able to realize a price that is typical for less expensive vehicles with huge aftermarkets (Mustang, Camaro, Corvette, etc), does NOT mean that a part is cheap. It means someone other than the Euro-aftermarket shops can make products for our cars too and we get the benefits.
12-09-2011, 06:39 PM
#29
Super Member
Schweinhund-
Count me in if you have enough people on the list for an order. I am leaning towards the AMS shorties but if I can get hold of a pair of long tubes, that would be great
Count me in if you have enough people on the list for an order. I am leaning towards the AMS shorties but if I can get hold of a pair of long tubes, that would be great
12-09-2011, 06:40 PM
#30
Former Vendor of MBWorld
Thread Starter
Please choose your words carefully. I am being completely open an honest. I transcribed exactly what I had discussed with MAC. I understand yours is a smaller, specialty shop, and that's fine. MAC is a larger company that still does custom runs, and that's where I expect they get their savings.
There is nothing "magical" about W210 E55 Long-Tube headers only a very limited market size. They are similar to many other V-8 long block dimensions which have tons and tons of long tube header offerings in the proposed MAC price range but in header work, close rarely, if ever, cuts it and a custom design is, of course, needed.
MAC is only offering their capabilities and their pricing which reside in the far more competitive and incomparably larger domestic vehicle performance aftermarket.
There is nothing "magical" about W210 E55 Long-Tube headers only a very limited market size. They are similar to many other V-8 long block dimensions which have tons and tons of long tube header offerings in the proposed MAC price range but in header work, close rarely, if ever, cuts it and a custom design is, of course, needed.
MAC is only offering their capabilities and their pricing which reside in the far more competitive and incomparably larger domestic vehicle performance aftermarket.
On every set of headers we build it is required that the steering shaft be removed for installation. just getting hands in there to reinstall the steering shaft is a pain in the butt.
With that said I'm going to build a set for my friend who owns Attwood European here in Arizona. So I will have a very clear idea as o what its going to take. Knowing that we put in over $1000 of material into each set of 55K headers and even more in 63 headers. I know for sure the material will be greater in the W210 vs the W211.
we don't price the header of anything we make based on the value of the car regardless if it cost. We base our pricing on materials and labor. The tricky part is factoring in the labor and costs to make the jig. By the time we have a set for production we will have about $10K invested into bringing a set to market.
Now you have to move so many sets of headers to offset your investment. In our situation I don't see that happening.
12-09-2011, 08:58 PM
#31
MBWorld Fanatic!
There is something is something going on with the W210's and 208 CLKs that is different than a lot of cars. 1 being space. All these AMG's have limited space. The other is the 210 and 208 steering box. To snake around that cost money. As bending and bends cost more than straight tubing. How many bends will be needed is yet to be seen.Now after you get around that steering box you still have to make sure you can get the header on and off.
On every set of headers we build it is required that the steering shaft be removed for installation. just getting hands in there to reinstall the steering shaft is a pain in the butt.
With that said I'm going to build a set for my friend who owns Attwood European here in Arizona. So I will have a very clear idea as o what its going to take. Knowing that we put in over $1000 of material into each set of 55K headers and even more in 63 headers. I know for sure the material will be greater in the W210 vs the W211.
we don't price the header of anything we make based on the value of the car regardless if it cost. We base our pricing on materials and labor. The tricky part is factoring in the labor and costs to make the jig. By the time we have a set for production we will have about $10K invested into bringing a set to market.
Now you have to move so many sets of headers to offset your investment. In our situation I don't see that happening.
On every set of headers we build it is required that the steering shaft be removed for installation. just getting hands in there to reinstall the steering shaft is a pain in the butt.
With that said I'm going to build a set for my friend who owns Attwood European here in Arizona. So I will have a very clear idea as o what its going to take. Knowing that we put in over $1000 of material into each set of 55K headers and even more in 63 headers. I know for sure the material will be greater in the W210 vs the W211.
we don't price the header of anything we make based on the value of the car regardless if it cost. We base our pricing on materials and labor. The tricky part is factoring in the labor and costs to make the jig. By the time we have a set for production we will have about $10K invested into bringing a set to market.
Now you have to move so many sets of headers to offset your investment. In our situation I don't see that happening.
12-12-2011, 11:34 AM
#32
Super Member
There is something is something going on with the W210's and 208 CLKs that is different than a lot of cars. 1 being space. All these AMG's have limited space. The other is the 210 and 208 steering box. To snake around that cost money. As bending and bends cost more than straight tubing. How many bends will be needed is yet to be seen.Now after you get around that steering box you still have to make sure you can get the header on and off.
On every set of headers we build it is required that the steering shaft be removed for installation. just getting hands in there to reinstall the steering shaft is a pain in the butt.
With that said I'm going to build a set for my friend who owns Attwood European here in Arizona. So I will have a very clear idea as o what its going to take. Knowing that we put in over $1000 of material into each set of 55K headers and even more in 63 headers. I know for sure the material will be greater in the W210 vs the W211.
we don't price the header of anything we make based on the value of the car regardless if it cost. We base our pricing on materials and labor. The tricky part is factoring in the labor and costs to make the jig. By the time we have a set for production we will have about $10K invested into bringing a set to market.
Now you have to move so many sets of headers to offset your investment. In our situation I don't see that happening.
On every set of headers we build it is required that the steering shaft be removed for installation. just getting hands in there to reinstall the steering shaft is a pain in the butt.
With that said I'm going to build a set for my friend who owns Attwood European here in Arizona. So I will have a very clear idea as o what its going to take. Knowing that we put in over $1000 of material into each set of 55K headers and even more in 63 headers. I know for sure the material will be greater in the W210 vs the W211.
we don't price the header of anything we make based on the value of the car regardless if it cost. We base our pricing on materials and labor. The tricky part is factoring in the labor and costs to make the jig. By the time we have a set for production we will have about $10K invested into bringing a set to market.
Now you have to move so many sets of headers to offset your investment. In our situation I don't see that happening.
I hope you post up on your custom job. It sounds like a good challenge with some really good horsepower gains.
12-12-2011, 06:42 PM
#33
MBWorld Fanatic!
12-13-2011, 12:16 PM
#34
Super Member
12-13-2011, 03:23 PM
#35
MBWorld Fanatic!
E430 are about $7k to $10K top depending year, mileage and condition, I really doubt anybody will spend $2500 + $600 installation = $3K + and risking smog check for 30hp. So $3K with smog check problem for $10K car...... not sure worth it. IMO.
12-13-2011, 10:11 PM
#36
MBWorld Fanatic!
Yes I know. I was referring more to the $400 MAC group buy that was mentioned in this thread but probably still not many takers even at that price.
12-14-2011, 02:48 PM
#37
MBWorld Fanatic!
oh ok..... i misunderstood. In californiar i am not sure about the long tube header. I rather use shorties even with lower increase. Smog is PITA !
