My w210 e55 custom air intake.
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It's the effort that counts and this fella has proved more than I.
Experimentation is a hobby for some people.
Looks...who cares, it's under the hood like someone complaining your large intestine looks ugly and full of ****.
He can paint it black and you wont even notice the air shield.
I remember doin this stuff and having a great time with myself and brain..but life sucks for me now and I'm still young and I envy him to be able to do this..
Way to go.
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-btw..THIS GUYS A HOTRODDER..remember them!
Instead of buying like today.
I think John Milner from American Graffiti would hang with this fella.:>)...and at one time didn't we all want to be John Milner.
Experimentation is a hobby for some people.
Looks...who cares, it's under the hood like someone complaining your large intestine looks ugly and full of ****.
He can paint it black and you wont even notice the air shield.
I remember doin this stuff and having a great time with myself and brain..but life sucks for me now and I'm still young and I envy him to be able to do this..
Way to go.
Show us more.
-btw..THIS GUYS A HOTRODDER..remember them!
Instead of buying like today.
I think John Milner from American Graffiti would hang with this fella.:>)...and at one time didn't we all want to be John Milner.
Last edited by Frank N Sense; 06-23-2015 at 08:29 PM.
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Not less efficient, just not noticeably better at supplying air to the engine. Not many back-to-back dyno results to prove either way, but:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c...rbox-dyno.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c...rbox-dyno.html
Audi and BMW got it right when they designed their air intakes for their v8 cars compared to what mb did for the w210 e55,clk55 and c43. Take a look at the intake setups of the aforementioned cars and you will see what I mean.
Last edited by ProjectC55; 08-29-2015 at 08:32 AM.
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One of the many resources I used when deciding how to make my intake. Only downside on the 210 is that you can't use a clk320 box https://mbworld.org/forums/clk-class...t-intakes.html
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Good effort. I've messed with all kinds of things like this. It's a lot of fun. I have to tell though that the AMG intake and OEM filters is not restrictive at all so you really can't hope to gain anything. Second, I would never, EVER pull air from the engine bay if I didn't have to. The stock dual inlet takes air from the front of the car. As cold as it will get. Still, thanks for sharing and keep modding!
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Good effort. I've messed with all kinds of things like this. It's a lot of fun. I have to tell though that the AMG intake and OEM filters is not restrictive at all so you really can't hope to gain anything. Second, I would never, EVER pull air from the engine bay if I didn't have to. The stock dual inlet takes air from the front of the car. As cold as it will get. Still, thanks for sharing and keep modding!
The snorkel intakes at the front are a great idea, though one is undersized and the box gets extremely hot. So unless you're driving in cool weather the air is going to get warmer. The 320 setup isn't that way. The tube runs off to the side of the bay reducing heat soak. The main thing I'm getting at is that the oem E320/430 tube flows just as well as the AMG box if not better. The dyno results from the link i posted prove that. Either way we are splitting hairs, no intake is going to add 10hp on these cars. + or - 1-3hp on the different setups I've seen. Personally i just love the sound, any perceived gains are a bonus.
That being said I think this discussion is more about the OEM factor. It's an AMG car so a lot of people are opposed to modifying it to begin with, let alone hacking up parts to make their own. Or making the engine look less attractive, I get it.
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My W210 E55 AMG Intake Setup
Hey Guys,
Just wanted to share my new intake setup, this is similar, but I wanted to isolate the filter from the heat of the engine bay, and protect it from the elements a little. I also ran a 4" flex pipe down next to the passenger side fog light to draw in cold air. I have not put this on the dyno yet, but the seat of the pants dyno tells me this thing rips now. This honestly felt like as much of an improvement as my Kleeman headers/cat delet/ECU tune.
Just wanted to share my new intake setup, this is similar, but I wanted to isolate the filter from the heat of the engine bay, and protect it from the elements a little. I also ran a 4" flex pipe down next to the passenger side fog light to draw in cold air. I have not put this on the dyno yet, but the seat of the pants dyno tells me this thing rips now. This honestly felt like as much of an improvement as my Kleeman headers/cat delet/ECU tune.
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Dyno Info
So I ran the car on the dyno today back to back with the factory airbox setup, versus the modified intake setup I made.
Stock box makes more peak power, and torque overall up top coming in at 313.51 hp @ 5590rpm, and 323.88 ft. lbs of torque @ 4710 rpm.
The modified intake setup has much more horsepower, and torque down low, but is starving the engine for fuel and getting to lean up top so it is actually producing less, looking to optimize the A/F ratio to increase performance with this setup. Results 310.10 hp @ 5850 rpm, and 318.85 ft. lbs of torque @ 3240 rpm
From 3k-3750 rpm the modified intake is making a large amount more torque than the factory box. Horsepower is dead even from 3500-3750 rpm, below that the modified box again is much higher, and smoother curve than factory, but the factory starts to pull away again up top as the A/F ratio is much more ideal than with the modded airbox.
Keep in mind that these are at a base elevation of 3980' above sea level as well.
Stock box makes more peak power, and torque overall up top coming in at 313.51 hp @ 5590rpm, and 323.88 ft. lbs of torque @ 4710 rpm.
The modified intake setup has much more horsepower, and torque down low, but is starving the engine for fuel and getting to lean up top so it is actually producing less, looking to optimize the A/F ratio to increase performance with this setup. Results 310.10 hp @ 5850 rpm, and 318.85 ft. lbs of torque @ 3240 rpm
From 3k-3750 rpm the modified intake is making a large amount more torque than the factory box. Horsepower is dead even from 3500-3750 rpm, below that the modified box again is much higher, and smoother curve than factory, but the factory starts to pull away again up top as the A/F ratio is much more ideal than with the modded airbox.
Keep in mind that these are at a base elevation of 3980' above sea level as well.
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So I ran the car on the dyno today back to back with the factory airbox setup, versus the modified intake setup I made.
Stock box makes more peak power, and torque overall up top coming in at 313.51 hp @ 5590rpm, and 323.88 ft. lbs of torque @ 4710 rpm.
The modified intake setup has much more horsepower, and torque down low, but is starving the engine for fuel and getting to lean up top so it is actually producing less, looking to optimize the A/F ratio to increase performance with this setup. Results 310.10 hp @ 5850 rpm, and 318.85 ft. lbs of torque @ 3240 rpm
From 3k-3750 rpm the modified intake is making a large amount more torque than the factory box. Horsepower is dead even from 3500-3750 rpm, below that the modified box again is much higher, and smoother curve than factory, but the factory starts to pull away again up top as the A/F ratio is much more ideal than with the modded airbox.
Keep in mind that these are at a base elevation of 3980' above sea level as well.
Stock box makes more peak power, and torque overall up top coming in at 313.51 hp @ 5590rpm, and 323.88 ft. lbs of torque @ 4710 rpm.
The modified intake setup has much more horsepower, and torque down low, but is starving the engine for fuel and getting to lean up top so it is actually producing less, looking to optimize the A/F ratio to increase performance with this setup. Results 310.10 hp @ 5850 rpm, and 318.85 ft. lbs of torque @ 3240 rpm
From 3k-3750 rpm the modified intake is making a large amount more torque than the factory box. Horsepower is dead even from 3500-3750 rpm, below that the modified box again is much higher, and smoother curve than factory, but the factory starts to pull away again up top as the A/F ratio is much more ideal than with the modded airbox.
Keep in mind that these are at a base elevation of 3980' above sea level as well.
1. We are not crazy for perceived gains.
2. The car with headers and a decent tune would help this mod out a lot.
Great job on posting the info! Not enough independent research done around here lol
So in conclusion stock is better for all around performance. Custom intakes without a tune are going to make the car run lean. My next step would be to see what a tune would do!
I'd like to do this but I want to get headers next then tune last.
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+1,
Headers with decent tune will make a good results,
I don't think car will goes lean, if doing any kind of air set-up, during to the >-mass< of MAF AIT & density counting in the ECU E-prom,
the bottom line, that you have to get cold air from out of the Engine bay..!
[-[hot air through AIT= less efficiency perform]-]
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Headers with decent tune will make a good results,
I don't think car will goes lean, if doing any kind of air set-up, during to the >-mass< of MAF AIT & density counting in the ECU E-prom,
the bottom line, that you have to get cold air from out of the Engine bay..!
[-[hot air through AIT= less efficiency perform]-]
ZAYED,,
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Hey Guys,
Just wanted to share my new intake setup, this is similar, but I wanted to isolate the filter from the heat of the engine bay, and protect it from the elements a little. I also ran a 4" flex pipe down next to the passenger side fog light to draw in cold air. I have not put this on the dyno yet, but the seat of the pants dyno tells me this thing rips now. This honestly felt like as much of an improvement as my Kleeman headers/cat delet/ECU tune.
Just wanted to share my new intake setup, this is similar, but I wanted to isolate the filter from the heat of the engine bay, and protect it from the elements a little. I also ran a 4" flex pipe down next to the passenger side fog light to draw in cold air. I have not put this on the dyno yet, but the seat of the pants dyno tells me this thing rips now. This honestly felt like as much of an improvement as my Kleeman headers/cat delet/ECU tune.
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Did you actually measure the air fuel ratio or are you guessing? Typically, the smaller intake will make more power down low because the air is moving faster but when it is restrictive you see a reduction in HP and TQ which is what you are probably seeing here.
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Yes, A/F ratio was logged during the run, and confirmed the modified intake was a full point leaner than the factory box on top end. I am now back to running the stock box until I can get with Cory @ Kleemann to see if it is possible to adjust the fuel map to accommodate the aftermarket setup.
I would heat wrap or coat the pipes once everything is done.
Debating on selling the car and getting a 211 at this point, as I need forced induction in my life again.
I would heat wrap or coat the pipes once everything is done.
Debating on selling the car and getting a 211 at this point, as I need forced induction in my life again.
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Sounds like you have a hunger for more power. Save your money trying to modify the 210 and just get a blown 211, 215, or 230. You will have a faster car in the end for not much more money. Used 211 e55's and 215 55/600/65's are dirt cheap. You could even get a 230 55 and do a shock and spring conversion so it would be reliable. The 210 E55 is hard to beat for reliability though.