So there are no tires as soft as Drag Rad's??
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So there are no tires as soft as Drag Rad's??
Had my PS2's on for a week or so now and love um, yet I long for the grip my draggers had. PS2's corner like nothing I have ever felt....plus the fear of death is greatly diminished (hated cornering on Drag Radials). Yet, punch it at the red light and we are spinning away even with LSD.
I just am going by the finger poke factor. You could push your fingers into the drag radials like they were soft butter....PS'2 would break your nail if you pushed to hard.
My question is.....are their no street tires as soft as the Drag Radials. Like a road race tire or something. I called BF Goodrich and the "reading from the brochure" guy on the phone told me the Goodrich G Force T/A KDW's were pretty close to the Drag Radial softness rubber. Is he full of crap? Anyone have any ideas....I want the drag radial launches WITH cornering darn it!!!! Whew, thanks for letting me vent.
I just am going by the finger poke factor. You could push your fingers into the drag radials like they were soft butter....PS'2 would break your nail if you pushed to hard.
My question is.....are their no street tires as soft as the Drag Radials. Like a road race tire or something. I called BF Goodrich and the "reading from the brochure" guy on the phone told me the Goodrich G Force T/A KDW's were pretty close to the Drag Radial softness rubber. Is he full of crap? Anyone have any ideas....I want the drag radial launches WITH cornering darn it!!!! Whew, thanks for letting me vent.
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i don't know from experience but i think those BF goodrich tyres (tires) are softer than PS2s
I dont think they have the wet weather grip tho
I may be wrong, don't listen to me
I dont think they have the wet weather grip tho
I may be wrong, don't listen to me
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Kumho Ecsta V700's are probably the next stickiest thing to the bfg drag radial and come in 245, 265, and 285 widths in 18". I'm not sure of the sidewall profiles on all of them, but they are a DOT legal competition tire like the Pilot Cup. They might not stick quite as well as the drag radials in a straight line, but your car will corner like it's on rails.
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Jak,
Unfortunately I don't think you are going to find anything that 500+lb/ft of torque won't burn. I have been thru BFG, Goodyears, Michelins on my Vette and nothing will stick like DOT slicks.
I went from 275s to 315s and it helped a lot. Still I can light em up to 50 with ease. With nitrous it's down right dangerous. My Vette is pretraction control era and I have just learned to use less left foot. The LSD in the Vette works great, you can burn forever and it goes strait as an arrow. Maybe MB needs to take lessons from the guys from Chrysler, I know they know how to get torque to the pavement.
Several of the guys that autocross around here swear by cheapos like kuhmos and yokohomas but they last less than 10k miles. I have no personal experience with these tires. Not even sure they are street legal.
It's a really good problem to have. Here's to monster torque.
Unfortunately I don't think you are going to find anything that 500+lb/ft of torque won't burn. I have been thru BFG, Goodyears, Michelins on my Vette and nothing will stick like DOT slicks.
I went from 275s to 315s and it helped a lot. Still I can light em up to 50 with ease. With nitrous it's down right dangerous. My Vette is pretraction control era and I have just learned to use less left foot. The LSD in the Vette works great, you can burn forever and it goes strait as an arrow. Maybe MB needs to take lessons from the guys from Chrysler, I know they know how to get torque to the pavement.
Several of the guys that autocross around here swear by cheapos like kuhmos and yokohomas but they last less than 10k miles. I have no personal experience with these tires. Not even sure they are street legal.
It's a really good problem to have. Here's to monster torque.
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Jackpro, you say you are still spinning the tires with the LSD. Would you still do it again? Can you estimate a % improvement the LSD has given you?
All it really does now is squeal the tires a fraction at launch and LSD may light up once.....again that is with estimated 585hp and 640Tq. I guess I am just spoiled in thinking you can dump that much torque on street tires.
Again, LOVE the LSD and mods....don't really know how to do the percentage thing, just know I am loving it. I know if I had the drag radials on, I could dump all the torque to them with not much spin at all.
Thanks for all the info.....any other info on tires...please pass um on.
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Jackpro1,
"pretty close" is a very subjective term and in reality no street radial will be as close to being as soft as the G-Force drags, I'm sorry to say. The KDWs are a nice soft tire and are actually pretty damn soft for a performance tire (I've had experience with them through the Supra community). I know people here just scream PS2s all day but there are actually a number of terrific tires out there that I am pretty sure will give more grip than PS2s. I will not be using PS2s as my tires when I upgrade my wheels.
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"pretty close" is a very subjective term and in reality no street radial will be as close to being as soft as the G-Force drags, I'm sorry to say. The KDWs are a nice soft tire and are actually pretty damn soft for a performance tire (I've had experience with them through the Supra community). I know people here just scream PS2s all day but there are actually a number of terrific tires out there that I am pretty sure will give more grip than PS2s. I will not be using PS2s as my tires when I upgrade my wheels.
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go with the Kumho Ecsta's...... I had them on my Viper GTS for a while, and they are amazing..... they are made for cornering, you'll think you just got into a different car with them on....
as for straight line acceleration, I could actually keep the power down from a roll in 1st gear with these tires.... my viper makes about 450rwhp and 500+ rwtq....
the only drawback is you have to be careful while driving in the rain with them as the tread grooves are shallow...
as for straight line acceleration, I could actually keep the power down from a roll in 1st gear with these tires.... my viper makes about 450rwhp and 500+ rwtq....
the only drawback is you have to be careful while driving in the rain with them as the tread grooves are shallow...
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
Jackpro1,
"pretty close" is a very subjective term and in reality no street radial will be as close to being as soft as the G-Force drags, I'm sorry to say. The KDWs are a nice soft tire and are actually pretty damn soft for a performance tire (I've had experience with them through the Supra community). I know people here just scream PS2s all day but there are actually a number of terrific tires out there that I am pretty sure will give more grip than PS2s. I will not be using PS2s as my tires when I upgrade my wheels.
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"pretty close" is a very subjective term and in reality no street radial will be as close to being as soft as the G-Force drags, I'm sorry to say. The KDWs are a nice soft tire and are actually pretty damn soft for a performance tire (I've had experience with them through the Supra community). I know people here just scream PS2s all day but there are actually a number of terrific tires out there that I am pretty sure will give more grip than PS2s. I will not be using PS2s as my tires when I upgrade my wheels.
-m
The BFG Drag radial is optimized to give maximal starting traction while trading away lateral grip, which explains the spooky cornering misbehavior...it's not designed to go around corners the way a PS2 or other high-end street tire is.
I'll bet the belt designs of these two tire types are very different-there's a lot more to a tire than what the eye can see or the finger can touch.
Different tools for different kinds of fun.
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Thanks for all the input. Never EVER thought I would even consider Kumho tires, but I am going to look into them. Found this great article online....they really gave thumbs up to Kuhmo Ecsta (think that's it)....there quote.."the grip of Drag Rads...and you can go around corners too"
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http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0501_phr_kumho/
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Thanks for all the input. Never EVER thought I would even consider Kumho tires, but I am going to look into them. Found this great article online....they really gave thumbs up to Kuhmo Ecsta (think that's it)....there quote.."the grip of Drag Rads...and you can go around corners too"
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http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0501_phr_kumho/
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I remember looking into the Goodrich G Force T/A KDW's but I had limited choices for 19 inch rims. I now have the PS2 on my new rims and drag radals on my stock rims. On the street, with the LSD and 275 PS2s I still spin the tires at 35 mph for maybe 2 seconds. I have not yet tried my drag radals with the LSD. Cornering is very good on the PS2s
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I've been trying to decide what to do with tires on my new 19" wheels that will be arriving soon.
I was comparing the BFG G-Force T/A KDW2 to the Michelin PS2.. Surprisingly the stats show the PS2 is a better handling tire?? But, the KDW has an XL load rating while the PS2 doesnt.
Here is the info on the 2:
(Left: PS2 275/30YR19 Right: BFG 275/30YR19)
SPEED RATING YR YR
HANDLING RATING 9.20 9.10
DRY TRACTION 9.5 9.4
WET TRACTION 8.9 8.8
RIDE COMFORT 8.6 8.1
NOISE COMFORT 8.6 6.9
WEAR 7.6 7.9
TREADWEAR RATING 220 300
TRACTION RATING AA AA
TEMPERATURE RATING A A
I was comparing the BFG G-Force T/A KDW2 to the Michelin PS2.. Surprisingly the stats show the PS2 is a better handling tire?? But, the KDW has an XL load rating while the PS2 doesnt.
Here is the info on the 2:
(Left: PS2 275/30YR19 Right: BFG 275/30YR19)
SPEED RATING YR YR
HANDLING RATING 9.20 9.10
DRY TRACTION 9.5 9.4
WET TRACTION 8.9 8.8
RIDE COMFORT 8.6 8.1
NOISE COMFORT 8.6 6.9
WEAR 7.6 7.9
TREADWEAR RATING 220 300
TRACTION RATING AA AA
TEMPERATURE RATING A A
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Originally Posted by vrus
I've been trying to decide what to do with tires on my new 19" wheels that will be arriving soon.
I was comparing the BFG G-Force T/A KDW2 to the Michelin PS2.. Surprisingly the stats show the PS2 is a better handling tire?? But, the KDW has an XL load rating while the PS2 doesnt.
Here is the info on the 2:
(Left: PS2 275/30YR19 Right: BFG 275/30YR19)
SPEED RATING YR YR
HANDLING RATING 9.20 9.10
DRY TRACTION 9.5 9.4
WET TRACTION 8.9 8.8
RIDE COMFORT 8.6 8.1
NOISE COMFORT 8.6 6.9
WEAR 7.6 7.9
TREADWEAR RATING 220 300
TRACTION RATING AA AA
TEMPERATURE RATING A A
I was comparing the BFG G-Force T/A KDW2 to the Michelin PS2.. Surprisingly the stats show the PS2 is a better handling tire?? But, the KDW has an XL load rating while the PS2 doesnt.
Here is the info on the 2:
(Left: PS2 275/30YR19 Right: BFG 275/30YR19)
SPEED RATING YR YR
HANDLING RATING 9.20 9.10
DRY TRACTION 9.5 9.4
WET TRACTION 8.9 8.8
RIDE COMFORT 8.6 8.1
NOISE COMFORT 8.6 6.9
WEAR 7.6 7.9
TREADWEAR RATING 220 300
TRACTION RATING AA AA
TEMPERATURE RATING A A
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Thanks for all the input. Never EVER thought I would even consider Kumho tires, but I am going to look into them. Found this great article online....they really gave thumbs up to Kuhmo Ecsta (think that's it)....there quote.."the grip of Drag Rads...and you can go around corners too"
Sweet
http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0501_phr_kumho/
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http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0501_phr_kumho/
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Originally Posted by saber
My 19 inch 275 PS2 are extra load rated
Thanks for the confirmation on the load rating.
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The reason I recommended them is because lots of Viper guys with 800+ rwhp
**on the V700's....anyone know what speed rating they are...hopefully not the Drag Rad 110mph rating again.
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey, is that really true....can a Vip really put out 800 rear wheel hp.....is that with a garbage gan size bottle of NOS....wow, that would be unreal to drive.
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just wanted to toss this in...falken has a new azenis the 615 and it's made in a few sizes that may work. (no 19s tho)
the old azenis had very stiff sidewalls from personal experience and i suppose with the heft of the "beast" this would be a welcome upgrade to turn in response plus you should get very decent grip.
the old azenis had very stiff sidewalls from personal experience and i suppose with the heft of the "beast" this would be a welcome upgrade to turn in response plus you should get very decent grip.
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Originally Posted by vrus
There is a member on another board that I frequent that just had a Twin Turbo kit put on his new Viper. It pulled over 1000RWHP on the dyno. Needless to say, there are a couple of tuners out there putting out huge numbers on these cars.
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Last question...what the h)(*l does it feel like to punch it when you are pushing almost 1000hp at the crank....does your vision get blurry or anything...
For real...back when the spare tire wouldn't hang over the tank (like it would now) , I used to run a tricked out Suz GSX1100 and when you'd really get on it...things got a little blurry...maybe G's or something.
What a ride man..post a pic when you can.
For real...back when the spare tire wouldn't hang over the tank (like it would now) , I used to run a tricked out Suz GSX1100 and when you'd really get on it...things got a little blurry...maybe G's or something.
What a ride man..post a pic when you can.
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Last question...what the h)(*l does it feel like to punch it when you are pushing almost 1000hp at the crank....does your vision get blurry or anything...
For real...back when the spare tire wouldn't hang over the tank (like it would now) , I used to run a tricked out Suz GSX1100 and when you'd really get on it...things got a little blurry...maybe G's or something.
What a ride man..post a pic when you can.
For real...back when the spare tire wouldn't hang over the tank (like it would now) , I used to run a tricked out Suz GSX1100 and when you'd really get on it...things got a little blurry...maybe G's or something.
What a ride man..post a pic when you can.
You're absolutely correct on the "blurring" effect of the acceleration--it does remind me of a bike. Lots of sc'd or turbo'd Vipers go looking for bikes, because most cars aren't much of a challenge. If you want to download it, here is a good vid of a turboViper doing a roll-on race with a GSX1000: http://www.streetcarforums.com/video...20gxsr1000.wmv. As the Gixxer said afterward, "It wasn't even a race."Here is a pic of my engine bay:
