Why do you think it wouldn't be better? You are launching closer to the M3 power peak. BMW designed european LC in the M3 for a reason.

1800 RPM is better than nothing. But we do not get the european LC. Simple as that.


Delmonte tomato- You better learn to shut up sometime. You have no car. You have no clue to what you are talking about.

You better show me a US spec M3 that has the LC as BMW originally designed not some US version which is nowhere close to rest of the world.

Until that time you own a car instead of riding around in a tricycle you have no right in participating in the discussion.

 

Simple as what? Having used it several times on the road and at the track (have you?), I can tell you both LC modes are effective for different scenarios. Frankly, dumping the clutch for a SMG at 3,000+ would be WAY overkill without having a manual clutch to temper it. I'm not sure how the Europeans use it at that high of an RPM.

 

Simple as what and according to whom is it not "the way it was designed?" I have used both versions several times at the track so what kinda LC am I using that is not "the way it was designed?" I can't imagine it launching at 3,000+ RPM's without a manual clutch to temper it.

 

This has to be one of the dumbest thread ever. Making all sorts of pre-judgements about car that is not released yet in the US...Worst yet, grown men fighting over who's car is faster? I can see that happening among young adults or teenagers, but grown men? It's funny how so many of you give all sorts of reasonings for this, for that, why is this slower, why is this faster...etc..etc...like all you guys know better than AMG and M techs. Calling people names, using profanity, calling people liars, etc....etc.... All this reminds me of my old days in the honda civic, accord, prelude, esclipse forums. I bought a MB (C-class) to get out of this class and step into something with more prestige...hoping to meet new people with maturity, knowledge, and professionalism. And this is what I get? I rather stay with the lower class and enjoy the laughter there more because at least they know how to rant on each other while making everyone laughs. Seeing this kind of argument/debate esp. among E55 and M5 owners ( 2 cars I hope to own someday) just tells me one thing: People who MB and BMW are no better than those who owns lowly Civics, Corollas, Camry, Esclipses, etc.

 

No probs

And gratulation on your choice of car, I am sure you will have fun with it.

 

Just to add some "prove" to what you are saying, I have included just for fun the link to my first ( and only) race with an SL55, also the first race I have every seen posted on the interenet after the launch of the car. It was in March 2002.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=AMG

At that point it was heavily discussed if the car that bear the Murc in the Sport auto test was a spesiall prepped press car. It turned out to have 500 Hp vs the claimed 476 but still within the 5% variation.

Anyway the point of bringing this up is to indicate that I was not banned, called a lier or anything and everyone reading and posting answers gave credit to the SL.

BTW: I am describing the gap I lost in meters, please accept that it is very difficult say excactly, so please do not use my estimate as 100% correct and use it in a further argument to why the new M5 cant beat the E55 with X meters. OK ?

 

Just to add some " prove" to you post, I give you a link to my first( and only) race with a SL55 that I posted in March 2002. It was then the first race report including this monster.

 

Dont worry , if I had read ( or thought I read) that the M5 with 4 persons inside had blown the doors of a Lambo Gallardo, me to would have been sceptical to the truth of the story.

 

QUOTE:
Then I can humbly say I made a mistake. I swear I thought I read that but I guess it was someone else's comment.


Dont worry , me to would have been sceptical if I thought I read that the new M5 with 4 persons in it blew the doors of a Lambo Gallardo..

 

Thats OK,

If I thought I read that an M5 with 4 persons blew the doors of an Gallardo, me to would have been sceptical.

 

US M3's absolutely have LC. I've used both LC versions several times. Whether or not you feel one is better than another does not change the FACT that LC is present on US M3's.

 

Trailer here:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=53394

 

So are you now claiming that US spec M3 has the european LC? Then in that case, prove that you can launch the US spec M3 using the LC at 3000+ RPM like BMWAG designed in its entirety.

If you can't then your point is wrong. US M3 can't be launched past 1800 RPM. You know it and i know it. We simply did not get the LC control per the original design spec due to warranty issues.

 

All this talk about the new M5 when people should be talking about the new CLS65 (600+hp V12TT) which should blow the doors off of the new M5.

Here is an article from Edmunds regarding the CLS65.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/d...rticleId=105395

Also, here is a picture of the CLS65 from a post in the CLS55 forum:
https://mbworld.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=106204

 

Actually, SoulBlade, and not to belabor the point, the E55 is demonstrably faster. How much faster in a highway run, I can't tell you. But here's some info. We can all draw our own conclusion (pure speculation) as to how an E55 would have done. Maybe it still would have lost, maybe by much less. Who knows. I throw this out there just as food for thought. Because it brings me perilously close to magazine/bench racing (something I detest), let me point out again that I recognize that this is speculation - and not scientific fact.

The best actual owner timeslip on Dragtimes for an SL55 was a 12.6 @ 111. I did a quick search on this site, and I didn't see anybody posting actual stock SL55 times quicker than that. There are a bunch of guys here that can crank out 12.0's and 12.1's at 116 and 117 mph in our E55's - bone stock, on stock crappy Conti tires. Even the most biased anti-AMG guy (not at all suggesting you are that person, or fit that mould - actually, you've been a very fair contributor to this board) has to conceded that the margin is relatively large. How many car lengths in the quarter when you are half a second quicker and 6 mph faster, I can't tell you. Maybe somebody else here can. Note that the E55 has a slightly more aggresive rear - 3.07 vs. 2.82, and that probably accounts for some of the 1/4 mile advantage.

As speed rises, the E should maintain its advantage over an SL, and perhaps increase it over the SL given its better drag coefficient - 0.27 v. 0.30 (top up). (Did the SL in the race have its top down?). The E is also more than 150 lbs lighter. Because both cars are limited to 155, which equates to 5,500 rpm in 4th gear in the E, I doubt the numerically lower rear gearing would have given the SL any sort of high speed advantage over the E in this hypothetical comparison. It probably would have left the SL with a relative disadvantage, as this wasn't a top speed run. But I don't claim to be an expert.

Now I know the race wasn't a standing start race, but the acceleration advantage of the E should still manifest itself from a 40 mph or 60 mph pull. Shouldn't it?

EDIT - In case it isn't clear to all from the beginning of the post - we are speculating here on a hypothetical demonstration. Don't try this at home, kids.

 

Will LC be also "detuned" on US M5's?

 

Imagine every potential M5 owner who read gustaff and will have these high expectations , like :" I can beat E55 on my way home from HomeDepot with new water heater filled up with 50gl of water in my back seat" to be dissapointed. If you believe what you say, than its nice to be underrated for that chance run in with M5.

 

W210: you can beleive what you want. What you will realize in real life is something else.

 

Go and post that video --- its fkn night already. Let u s see the "buy-buy= very bad" already. Let us watch and "realize", for a change, something other than the fact that you put out a lot of BS.

 

Do we realize how fast this M5 must be? To "humiliate" (Gustav's words) an E55 while having 4 people in the car on a dusty runway makes this car an 11 second car if the the E was proper and driven properly. That is amazing.

 

Here you go:

M3 times

Also check out Jweb

Did you think I would lie?

 

I know both of those guys from M3forum and they are legit. I have met Jaweb and have seen his car. Both have the AA supercharger, ecu, pulley, and significant weight reduction (and SMG). They are for real.

 

You obviously do not and have not owned an SMG M3. The US models have two versions of LC- casually referred to as the smash LC and the normal LC. While both launch at the same RPM, one wheel spins a WHOLE lot more.

You are splitting hairs about which is the "real" version. I for one do not have the knowledge or information to present what the "original" LC designs are. I don't know if the RPM's were reduced for warranty reasons or performance reasons. Other than speculation, I doubt you do either.

Since I own the car, I can speak to their usefulness. At 1,800, there is wheel spin on the normal LC so I can't imagine using the LC at 3,000+ without having a manual clutch to manipulate. But, I'm sure there is a way and a reason.

 

The mindset of your typical SL 55 owner is not to take their car to the dragstrip to get the best 1/4 mile run. The SL 55 is a true GT. That said, you may find the total number of SLs on the drag strip to be far fewer than E55s. A smaller sample would not yield the best possible time slip. For example, you may find a total of 15 SL 55 owners on this forum who have done time slips, and a total of, say, 50 E 55 owners who have timed their 1/4 mile. It is conceivable that you would get a better number out of the 50 trials, as opposed to 15

 

Fair point. Valid, indeed. I did the best with what I could find. No slight intended.