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Could Evosport put together a sub 11 second E55?

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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:00 AM
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Could Evosport put together a sub 11 second E55?

With Derek FSU showing what this car (with some major $ spent) is capable of doing, I pose the following question. Could our hosts of this website Brad and Simon, using thier parts put together a faster car? Since Derek used nitrous I will allow them to subcontract that part out if they dont have a nitrous system that they designed. Also tires and wheels could be bought from an outside vender. I want the board to speculate and I wonder if we could get a thought about this directly from Evosport Wolf

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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:15 AM
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If you really want to know, a bunch of car geeks can put together a 8 second E55. Problem is, by the time they're done with it, many would no longer call it a E55.
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:33 AM
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If you really want to know, a bunch of car geeks can put together a 8 second E55. Problem is, by the time they're done with it, many would no longer call it a E55.
Good point but I qualified it in my post by saying using the parts they have developed already. Wolf
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:45 AM
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no, but your question is too open. just parts and no nos than NO there parts and nos then yes.
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Wolf
With Derek FSU showing what this car (with some major $ spent) is capable of doing, I pose the following question. Could our hosts of this website Brad and Simon, using thier parts put together a faster car? Since Derek used nitrous I will allow them to subcontract that part out if they dont have a nitrous system that they designed. Also tires and wheels could be bought from an outside vender. I want the board to speculate and I wonder if we could get a thought about this directly from Evosport Wolf
Im sure that the car would last longer than 11 seconds.
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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I believe it can be done. On just tires and Kleemann Stage 2 plus LSD, I ran 11.65 at 121.9 mph. Has Evosport done this or come close?

A few people have added nitrous to their car. Several people have done Kleemann. All I did was throw the two together. Even done properly, you'll eventually find the limit of what our engine can handle. We know it can handle Kleemann Stage 2 plus a 120 shot and can probably handle more. It's just a gamble to see how far you can take it without blowing it.

I hope someone else now picks up the torch. My feeling is that someone in a 600/65 will add nitrous and become the fastest. Certainly they have the most potention.
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 12:56 PM
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Old Nov 5, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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Hey Jim why dont volunteer your wagon since you are wondering about Evosport? I am sure Kim would say go for it I have had all my mods done by Evo but never ever plan on doing a Nitrous shot so count me out on the sub 11. But I am sure, like Derek said, that the right combo can produce the right results.
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 01:10 PM
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The answer is YES. Getting past 11s is possible.

An E55 with with EVOII and Cooling Package, typically is in high 11s at low 120s.

To get another second off these times, here is what the car will need:

1. Traction: DOT slicks will definitely help. LSD diff almost becomes a neccessity.

2. More Power: We are right at around 500 RWHP right now. Upcoming EVOIII should place us at around 560-570 RWHP, which with 1.7 - 1.8 60ft times should have us in high 10s at high 120s, low 130s.

Now a 75HP NOS shot will be very helpful, however our goal is to keep power adders to just one - kompressor.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
The answer is YES. Getting past 11s is possible.

An E55 with with EVOII and Cooling Package, typically is in high 11s at low 120s.

To get another second off these times, here is what the car will need:

1. Traction: DOT slicks will definitely help. LSD diff almost becomes a neccessity.

2. More Power: We are right at around 500 RWHP right now. Upcoming EVOIII should place us at around 560-570 RWHP, which with 1.7 - 1.8 60ft times should have us in high 10s at high 120s, low 130s.

Now a 75HP NOS shot will be very helpful, however our goal is to keep power adders to just one - kompressor.
WHATS IN THE WORKS FOR THE EVO III ?
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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WHATS IN THE WORKS FOR THE EVO III ?
Oh... oh... oh... I know... I know...

Vadim, hurry up and finish so I can get those bad boys on my car!!!
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
The answer is YES. Getting past 11s is possible.

An E55 with with EVOII and Cooling Package, typically is in high 11s at low 120s.

To get another second off these times, here is what the car will need:

1. Traction: DOT slicks will definitely help. LSD diff almost becomes a neccessity.

2. More Power: We are right at around 500 RWHP right now. Upcoming EVOIII should place us at around 560-570 RWHP, which with 1.7 - 1.8 60ft times should have us in high 10s at high 120s, low 130s.

Now a 75HP NOS shot will be very helpful, however our goal is to keep power adders to just one - kompressor.
I for one hope that you can. What is the fastest time you have recorded with your EVOII pushing 500rwhp? At 560rwhp, my car ran 11.24. And that is on a very conservative dyno that shows my K2 without spray at only 440rwhp.

I believe that you'll need 600rwhp to get 10's, maybe. Has anyone with your EVOII pushing 500rwhp beaten my K2 440rwhp time of 11.65? Good luck and I hope you get it!
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 04:54 PM
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As far as what EVOIII will consist of - I will post a bit later. We are currently in the design phase and final parts list is not ready as of yet.
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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I believe that you'll need 600rwhp to get 10's, maybe. Has anyone with your EVOII pushing 500rwhp beaten my K2 440rwhp time of 11.65? Good luck and I hope you get it!
Derrek, thanks! So far we have several high 11s (11.88 is the best) on street tires for EVOII. With better traction and 60 additional wheel HP from EVOIII, I think knocking off a second is possible.
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 05:05 PM
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would be interesting to see a 10 sec E55 w/o NOS
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Old Nov 7, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
Derrek, thanks! So far we have several high 11s (11.88 is the best) on street tires for EVOII. With better traction and 60 additional wheel HP from EVOIII, I think knocking off a second is possible.
I think traction (rubber&lsd) should be the first mod people make. $ vs. reduced quarter time makes this the best bang for the buck investment. I think you'll see a .4 second reduction at most from proper traction and another .2 from 60hp which will put you real close. Go get'em.
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Has anyone taken a stock converter from our cars and loosened it up for better launches? DJ ran a 1.67 60' on Toyo Proxies T1s at our track day on Friday, so there has got to be a low 1.5x with a looser converter and a real tire under the car.

What was your short time on your 10.95 run, Derek?
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What was your short time on your 10.95 run, Derek?
My 60' was 1.698.
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Hi Derek

you've upgraded the dragtimes link but the pic at dragtimes till has your old timeslip attached - just thought you might want to know.

If youve got, it flaunt it!!! ANd you GOT IT!

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I'm sure you all know this, but be sure to short stage to increase your rollout distance. Shortstaging can reduce your 1/4 mile time .3-.4 seconds!!!
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0.3 to 0.4 seconds? How far (feet) is the staging section allow? Will short staging in a 2-3 feet windown really help?
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