E60 M5 beaten by Gallarado and Viper video...
11-15-2005, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
I'll race him and his underpowered, UberUglymobile whenever he's ready, I don't care what BMW has done to that toad.
Ill join in too. Let me get my K3 on the CLS55 and lets spank his *** together. To bad he wont leave Europe or wherever the hell he is and bring his *** over here, since he knows he doesnt have **** to show for.
11-15-2005, 02:08 AM
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De limit only avail to non Americans.
Yes, we indeed have adifferent priorities. I thought this was an international website.
Yes, we indeed have adifferent priorities. I thought this was an international website.
Originally Posted by Beowulf
Not sure about options available to American BMW M owners (and I've been one), but I'm pretty sure it's the same that applies to US AMG owners - AMG will NOT de-restrict US-spec vehicles at the factory, apart from the 030 option for certain AMG's (CLS, SL, SLK - the E55 is not included). De-restriction may be an option for European E55 owners, but it is not available to US owners, even those who elect to take European delivery. To the best of my knowledge, the only US-spec, non-030 package AMG's that are de-restricted have been been modded by aftermarket tuners (RENNtech, Kleemann, etc).
Autobahn top-end numbers are good for bragging rights, but of questionable use to the majority of US owners. Besides being illegal in the US, the opportunity to safely achieve sustained speeds over 120 mph on public roads is a rarity here. We're much more concerned about _usable_ performance for _our_ driving conditions - like standing start 0-60mph and quarter-mile statistics. These are our daily, real world opportunities to explore our cars performance. You seem unable - or unwilling - to understand that our priorities are different than yours.
Autobahn top-end numbers are good for bragging rights, but of questionable use to the majority of US owners. Besides being illegal in the US, the opportunity to safely achieve sustained speeds over 120 mph on public roads is a rarity here. We're much more concerned about _usable_ performance for _our_ driving conditions - like standing start 0-60mph and quarter-mile statistics. These are our daily, real world opportunities to explore our cars performance. You seem unable - or unwilling - to understand that our priorities are different than yours.
11-15-2005, 02:10 AM
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Zumbalak, you are also trying to discredit me 
Yes I dotn state openly I race on streetsm so therefore I do it on airfields or Autobahns 
Yes I dotn state openly I race on streetsm so therefore I do it on airfields or Autobahns
Originally Posted by zumbalak
Wow, nice videos.
I wonder if Gustav is just showing set up races, or something else going on, but the m5 on the links was said to have 2K km on it, and more than likely the owner knows what are the best settings for what kind of race.
I do believe it was fair and simple race, and I don't believe a single word gustav is saying since he lied is butt of on rs6.com forums (posted a video of m6 beating the rs4 and said it was in an airfiled - a total lie, the video was clearly taken on the highway, and did not even admit himself to lying,thus losing all his credibility - at least in some people's eyes).
I would have expected a Gallardo and srt10 to beat the m5, but still the m5 fared pretty good for his size of a big sedan. I would expect the m5 would get better as the miles go on to the engine, but most likely will not be able to beat any of the cars in the video. Gallardo is just an amazing car, I wonder what the Murcielago would do
I wonder if Gustav is just showing set up races, or something else going on, but the m5 on the links was said to have 2K km on it, and more than likely the owner knows what are the best settings for what kind of race.
I do believe it was fair and simple race, and I don't believe a single word gustav is saying since he lied is butt of on rs6.com forums (posted a video of m6 beating the rs4 and said it was in an airfiled - a total lie, the video was clearly taken on the highway, and did not even admit himself to lying,thus losing all his credibility - at least in some people's eyes).
I would have expected a Gallardo and srt10 to beat the m5, but still the m5 fared pretty good for his size of a big sedan. I would expect the m5 would get better as the miles go on to the engine, but most likely will not be able to beat any of the cars in the video. Gallardo is just an amazing car, I wonder what the Murcielago would do
11-15-2005, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Gustav
Zumbalak, you are also trying to discredit me
11-15-2005, 03:48 AM
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Gustav, my understanding is that you live in europe... i have a w126 euro version and i know for a fact that many components on the euro version of the w126 is diff then the US spec..
IE:
Highet compression motor
More HP
Exhuast
Less weight
head lights/
bumpers etc
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no ecu
little details like that-that add up...so i was wondering ( i know im going to get flame here but whateveR) perhaps thats the reason why your car is much faster then our cars ? compare to what pp have expirience here with there m5's---perhaps less weigh and better aerodymanics on some parts that are diff and diff components that are making the diffs and u show us vids of u beating exotic cars....
p.s. i dont think your vids are BS....
IE:
Highet compression motor
More HP
Exhuast
Less weight
head lights/
bumpers etc
delimited
no ecu
little details like that-that add up...so i was wondering ( i know im going to get flame here but whateveR) perhaps thats the reason why your car is much faster then our cars ? compare to what pp have expirience here with there m5's---perhaps less weigh and better aerodymanics on some parts that are diff and diff components that are making the diffs and u show us vids of u beating exotic cars....
p.s. i dont think your vids are BS....
11-15-2005, 04:14 AM
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So has anyone tested the E55 against the Gallardo or the Viper in the same way and with what results??
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
11-15-2005, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardeth
So has anyone tested the E55 against the Gallardo or the Viper in the same way and with what results??
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
11-15-2005, 09:42 AM
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In that video Galliardo pulls hard on M5...When I raced Galliaro on my e39 M5, I had simular outcomes...Galliardo keep pulling and pulling...I know they say, they used all sport modes etc, but may be they forgot to switch the power button...
I dont think BMW is stupid enough to make NEW M5 slower then its main competitor E55K...It will be good if they were, cause New M5 is so expensive here, so I'm in the process of getting low millage 2004 E55K...and I going find M5 and film the video..
IF 2000km on the clock , then the engine is not even broken in...I think as it will pass 10k it will be faster...but not sure if fast enough to beat a Galliardo...
I dont think BMW is stupid enough to make NEW M5 slower then its main competitor E55K...It will be good if they were, cause New M5 is so expensive here, so I'm in the process of getting low millage 2004 E55K...and I going find M5 and film the video..
IF 2000km on the clock , then the engine is not even broken in...I think as it will pass 10k it will be faster...but not sure if fast enough to beat a Galliardo...
11-15-2005, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardeth
So has anyone tested the E55 against the Gallardo or the Viper in the same way and with what results??
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
I will say this thought, if the M5 cant beat those cars at those speeds neither will a stock E55...
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11-15-2005, 11:41 AM
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impro i never said anything about the first vid I accually didnt even watch it until now.
in the second one the m5 is not anywhere near its power band.
after watching the first video it looks like the m5 has no power at all the gall pulled like 5cl on it like nothing
in the second one the m5 is not anywhere near its power band.
after watching the first video it looks like the m5 has no power at all the gall pulled like 5cl on it like nothing
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11-15-2005, 02:20 PM
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2000 W210 E55->2003 R230 SL500->2004 W211 E55->2007 997TT+2007 E63->2010 GLK350->2012 E550 4matic
The M5 is nice, but I think the E55 is far more suitable for street use in most parts of the world, and especially for city driving. I want to have my fun all the time, not having to worry about launch control quotas.
And I hope it doesn't take 20 seconds to activate launch control, that's absolutely unacceptable, come on it takes only 16 seconds to lower my SL500 roof and I hate waiting for it.
And I hope it doesn't take 20 seconds to activate launch control, that's absolutely unacceptable, come on it takes only 16 seconds to lower my SL500 roof and I hate waiting for it.
11-15-2005, 04:50 PM
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GUSTAV, why can't u just admit that a stock E60 M5 will be slower than a stock W211 E55 in the 1/4 mile and be done w/ it? we have no problems giving props to the M5 on a track so why can't u give props to the E55 in the straight line performance? the more u open ur mouth and backpedal, the more credibility ur losing. in the next few months, more M5 will lose to E55, CLS55, Gallardo, 996TT, etc. and then everyone will realize, if not already, that the video u showed was that of a press car M5 that was tweaked and not a factory one and that ur a freaking LIAR!!!!!! all i'm saying is give props where props are due and stop trying to convince people the E60 M5 is so great and powerful that it beat every car it went up against. 
11-15-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
Gustav,
Well my car, until I do the Kleemann ECU, is limited to ~155mph, and I imagine the E60 M5 in the US is the same. If the M5 can only shine above a speed it cannot even reach from the factory, like 155mph, is that really worth discussing?
Once you open up the discussion to non-factory standard cars, all gloves are off. You and I both know that the E60 M5 will never have the capabilities that the W211 has in terms of upgrade potential. Therefore, it is in the M5s best interest to talk about itself in factory terms, not modified or "de-limited" terms.
If the M5 really only "shines" above 155mph, for the US consumer that really does not do us any good.
-m
Well my car, until I do the Kleemann ECU, is limited to ~155mph, and I imagine the E60 M5 in the US is the same. If the M5 can only shine above a speed it cannot even reach from the factory, like 155mph, is that really worth discussing?
Once you open up the discussion to non-factory standard cars, all gloves are off. You and I both know that the E60 M5 will never have the capabilities that the W211 has in terms of upgrade potential. Therefore, it is in the M5s best interest to talk about itself in factory terms, not modified or "de-limited" terms.
If the M5 really only "shines" above 155mph, for the US consumer that really does not do us any good.
-m
Then again, i will probably lose my license if i drive 100+ on the street.
11-15-2005, 05:38 PM
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Gustav, we all here love to see videos from neutral viewpoints, but if you cannot keep the car races fair, I'm going to have to ask you to stop posting them on this forum, or I will delete them.
We at MBWorld.org try to keep misinformation at its minimum and we cannot do that unless all our members wish to help. If you do not want to help keep a NPOV (neutral point of view) you are free to leave. Take that as a warning.
Now, on a lighter note, does anyone know someone in Houston with a M5? I think I might have my hands on an E55 in a few weeks and an airfield (but no GPS).
We at MBWorld.org try to keep misinformation at its minimum and we cannot do that unless all our members wish to help. If you do not want to help keep a NPOV (neutral point of view) you are free to leave. Take that as a warning.
Now, on a lighter note, does anyone know someone in Houston with a M5? I think I might have my hands on an E55 in a few weeks and an airfield (but no GPS).
11-15-2005, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
Correction. M5 actually shines past 100 mph at least from personal experience.
Then again, i will probably lose my license if i drive 100+ on the street.
Then again, i will probably lose my license if i drive 100+ on the street.
However, interestingly enough, you sort of made it's 100mph+ prowess a moot point, didn't you? :p
-m
11-15-2005, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus Frost
Well from my experience the W211 does very well at those speeds as well, and undeniably has the ability to take care of business below those speeds as well.
However, interestingly enough, you sort of made it's 100mph+ prowess a moot point, didn't you? :p
-m
However, interestingly enough, you sort of made it's 100mph+ prowess a moot point, didn't you? :p
-m
To have 100+mph prowess is nice, but I simply have no room to run it in the M5. I played around with LC and hit 80 already in 2nd gear. Where can i drive 80 without being ticketed or jailed on normal street?
The only place that i can think of is probably nebreska, but then again, there is nothing to live for in nebreska. (so flame away from people in mid-west).
11-15-2005, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
I dont think BMW is stupid enough to make NEW M5 slower then its main competitor E55K...It will be good if they were, cause New M5 is so expensive here, so I'm in the process of getting low millage 2004 E55K...and I going find M5 and film the video..
Having said that, I don't think BMW is stupid (except the design itself).
So it would be up to you what speed band you like. Just like KK & Derek said, if we could combine these two cars... it'd be one heck of a family sedan.
11-15-2005, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gustav
Im atlking about over 120 mph. Also, Up to 186 mph would be fun, since both BMW M and Mercedes AMG de resicts the car fro mfactory if you wish.
11-15-2005, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Now, on a lighter note, does anyone know someone in Houston with a M5? I think I might have my hands on an E55 in a few weeks and an airfield (but no GPS).
I know of one guy (over at M5board). His handle is "Scott in Houston". I believe he sold his 996TT for the M5. Why don't you send him a message there and see what happens?
11-16-2005, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Improviz
Prove it. 
then go search for the dyno of the m5 engine and you will see that there is a tourqe and power dip from 4-5.5k and then it builds up quick to 6k for its peak
if that car was at 6k in a lower gear the race would of been different
11-16-2005, 05:25 PM
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Manufacturers using test cars during press releases is nothing new. Reminds me of the SL 55 given to ALMS in summer of 2002, where it trounced everything in the lineup to 150 mph, including Murc, Vanquish, 996TT. Then it was discovered the SL 55 was a preproduction car with tweaked engine
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11-16-2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by skratch77
watch the vid and pause it and you will see the m5 at 5k before the start the race.
I do agree that more videos need to surface before any conclusions are made about the M5. Also, in Gustav's video against the E55 from a standstill the M5 started making ground 12 or so seconds into the race and in 4th gear (based on the running counter in the video). This roughly equals to the 1/4 mile time for the E55. We can conclude then, that on speeds ABOVE 110-115 mph (trap speed of E55) does the M5 make up the lost ground on the E55 and passes the E55 more than 13 seconds into the race.
I just don't see any "scenario" (i.e. stop light, highway run) in the States where the M5 can outrun the E55 in a straight line within "safe" speeds.
