Big Phat Dyno W211 -- 484.1 rwhp/558.78 rwtq
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
Just 93 octane 
Would I expect to see any more power from using 94 or 104 at the strip?
Would I expect to see any more power from using 94 or 104 at the strip?
You have a forced induction car, forced induction cars benefit the most from high octane fuels. I have seen a difference of as much as 40rwhp from using race gas in a turbo car. It has made a .3-.5 second difference in the 1/4 mile with a 3-7mph difference in trap speed.
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RennTechV12 ,
I will try it in the Benz when i goto the strip. I used to use 116 blue in my Supra and as you said it make a BIG difference. It let me go safely from 21 to 30 psi -- the difference of about 100rwhp.
I used 116 once in my modded S4 and w/o it I lost by 3 cars to my friends 911TT X50...with it we were dead even from 20-100mph.
I just didn't know if it would also help the E55 ...but now with my boost cranked up it has to. Have you used race gas in your Benz's?
I will try it in the Benz when i goto the strip. I used to use 116 blue in my Supra and as you said it make a BIG difference. It let me go safely from 21 to 30 psi -- the difference of about 100rwhp.
I used 116 once in my modded S4 and w/o it I lost by 3 cars to my friends 911TT X50...with it we were dead even from 20-100mph.
I just didn't know if it would also help the E55 ...but now with my boost cranked up it has to. Have you used race gas in your Benz's?
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
RennTechV12 ,
I will try it in the Benz when i goto the strip. I used to use 116 blue in my Supra and as you said it make a BIG difference. It let me go safely from 21 to 30 psi -- the difference of about 100rwhp.
I used 116 once in my modded S4 and w/o it I lost by 3 cars to my friends 911TT X50...with it we were dead even from 20-100mph.
I just didn't know if it would also help the E55 ...but now with my boost cranked up it has to. Have you used race gas in your Benz's?
I will try it in the Benz when i goto the strip. I used to use 116 blue in my Supra and as you said it make a BIG difference. It let me go safely from 21 to 30 psi -- the difference of about 100rwhp.
I used 116 once in my modded S4 and w/o it I lost by 3 cars to my friends 911TT X50...with it we were dead even from 20-100mph.
I just didn't know if it would also help the E55 ...but now with my boost cranked up it has to. Have you used race gas in your Benz's?
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Hey Bro,
Whats up with these fake timeslips from M5 owners? We will just have show everyone this Friday the real deal.
Tried calling you a few times. Hope you had a good turkey day with the family
Whats up with these fake timeslips from M5 owners? We will just have show everyone this Friday the real deal.
Tried calling you a few times. Hope you had a good turkey day with the family
Sad if they are forging them. I personally don't care if it runs 12s or 13s. It should be for personal achievement rather than trying to prove a point.
Friday should be fun.
My phone, man I left it at a relative's house for 2 days before we realized where it was.
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Per Cory at Kleeman, you are spot on....it retards the timing even further than ECU mod and here comes more HP....gotta drive it around a bit though. Don't pop race gas in at the track....car needs to recognize and retard to be effective.....again per Cor.
Man, to drive RenntechV12's car for a day.......dream dream dreammmmmm
It has made a .3-.5 second difference in the 1/4 mile with a 3-7mph difference in trap speed.
Man, to drive RenntechV12's car for a day.......dream dream dreammmmmm
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
Grumpy666,
I do have a digital camera and took a pic of the dyno...it looked terrible so I will run to kinkos or something.
I do have a digital camera and took a pic of the dyno...it looked terrible so I will run to kinkos or something.
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Per Cory at Kleeman, you are spot on....it retards the timing even further than ECU mod and here comes more HP....gotta drive it around a bit though. Don't pop race gas in at the track....car needs to recognize and retard to be effective.....again per Cor.
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e55 baller,
Incredible numbers. Do you know if the rating is SAE or STD?
I hope to get close to those numbers if I can finally decide on which system go with, either the Kleemann headers and full exhaust or the EVO Sport headers. I am also considering a new system from Super Sprint, complete with headers and full exhaust.
Incredible numbers. Do you know if the rating is SAE or STD?
I hope to get close to those numbers if I can finally decide on which system go with, either the Kleemann headers and full exhaust or the EVO Sport headers. I am also considering a new system from Super Sprint, complete with headers and full exhaust.
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Grumpy -- thanks for the advice...here is a digital pic of the dyno. Given the antics of late I want to let you all know I deleted my full name from the dyno...no sense in having potential MB dealers creating black lists.
A few things to note -- temp 70-73 on the runs. Humidity 12%. Barometer = 29.99. Basically a good "air day"
This chart illustrates a 4th gear pull by mph from 4X mph to 177mph. The bottom is the A/F, the redline is 13. The bottom one is 10. The green pull bouncing at 12.0 at redline. Is that too lean? It was with the cut-out (one side) wide open. I don't see an A/F for the best -- pull #3 below
A few things to note -- temp 70-73 on the runs. Humidity 12%. Barometer = 29.99. Basically a good "air day"
This chart illustrates a 4th gear pull by mph from 4X mph to 177mph. The bottom is the A/F, the redline is 13. The bottom one is 10. The green pull bouncing at 12.0 at redline. Is that too lean? It was with the cut-out (one side) wide open. I don't see an A/F for the best -- pull #3 below
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The lower RPM range of the first run seems to have a problem - tire slippage, operator error, or something else. This means the torque value for the run is invalid. Since this is the cutouts-closed run, I would expect the peak torque would be higher than the other runs. Bummer. FYI - I would not have accepted this result from the dyno operator - they should have repeated the pull.
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Grumpy,
I noticed the first pull was associated with tires burning a bit...by 105mph it looks as if the slipping was non existent.
Since tq=hp at 5250 rpms I am not concerned with your concern however I appreciate your comments. I would suggest that the torque is invalid for the first pull from 40mph to 105mph but after that there is no proof of tire slippage.
Needless to say I am not too torqued up with the dyno operator. In any event a open vs. closed cut out was not my main objective. My objective was a measure of rwhp / rwtq to see if my car was healthy.
If you want to get a cut out its up to you all. All I know is it sounds bad *** and I can go quiet in 2 seconds.
I noticed the first pull was associated with tires burning a bit...by 105mph it looks as if the slipping was non existent.
Since tq=hp at 5250 rpms I am not concerned with your concern however I appreciate your comments. I would suggest that the torque is invalid for the first pull from 40mph to 105mph but after that there is no proof of tire slippage.
Needless to say I am not too torqued up with the dyno operator. In any event a open vs. closed cut out was not my main objective. My objective was a measure of rwhp / rwtq to see if my car was healthy.
If you want to get a cut out its up to you all. All I know is it sounds bad *** and I can go quiet in 2 seconds.
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Meant to ask the board...why would the A/F go 0.5 leaner? Because the cutous are open? Leaner mix = more power ...makes sense. Is this on the edge of safety? I wish I had an EGT gauge.
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
Meant to ask the board...why would the A/F go 0.5 leaner? Because the cutous are open? Leaner mix = more power ...makes sense. Is this on the edge of safety? I wish I had an EGT gauge.
Issac,
Are you going to try and make it Friday? Would love to see how your beast runs
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
Since tq=hp at 5250 rpms I am not concerned with your concern however I appreciate your comments. I would suggest that the torque is invalid for the first pull from 40mph to 105mph but after that there is no proof of tire slippage.
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Originally Posted by e55 baller
Meant to ask the board...why would the A/F go 0.5 leaner? Because the cutous are open? Leaner mix = more power ...makes sense. Is this on the edge of safety? I wish I had an EGT gauge.
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Hey Isaac,
Glad to hear your car is back in healthy running condition! Nice numbers on the dyno! As far as the cut-outs go they are Stainless steel blades in the valves and with the stainless piping, parts come out to about $600. The rest of the install is the welding, but more importantley the wiring up to the cabin and the placement of the switch - it has to look proper in an E55, no big red toggle switch floating the middle of the center console! Can't wait to see some 1/4 mile numbers!
Glad to hear your car is back in healthy running condition! Nice numbers on the dyno! As far as the cut-outs go they are Stainless steel blades in the valves and with the stainless piping, parts come out to about $600. The rest of the install is the welding, but more importantley the wiring up to the cabin and the placement of the switch - it has to look proper in an E55, no big red toggle switch floating the middle of the center console! Can't wait to see some 1/4 mile numbers!
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Okay, we need to have a high horsepower competition of E55's. I already lose to Baller with 476, but wondering if anyone has topped his 480+.....man, that's sweet. Well, Gid_e_up is at 619 crank from Kleemann, but maybe we could make this a rear wheel only thing.....
Just curious.
Just curious.
