Ran with my wife last night
12-13-2005, 07:39 PM
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Ran with my wife last night
After some convincing and getting my M5 back from dealer, my wife finally decided to help me out and ran the E55 along with my M5. The result is pretty much what i suspected, E55 can't be touched unless we are in triple digit territory.
E55 setup- one driver weighs about 140 lb. In S mode. Launch at idle.
Run 1- M5 in P500S, DSC off, launch at idle.
E55 got about half a car jump on me, and was increasing the lead probably until about 60 mph or so (about 1 car length ahead). After that I am finally to begin to pull on the E55, at about 100 mph, i am roughly about a half hood behind, and after that is all M5. She was pretty far behind at about 130 when i shut it down.
Run 2- Same as run one, except I used LC.
This time E55 did not get that much jump on the M. The E55 opened about 1/3 car length lead on the M, and maintained that lead to about 70 mph, and i was even at around 80 to 90 or so (did not pay attention). By 100 mph I am about 3/4 ahead and the lead was increasing fast.
We tried this couple more times, but I was never able to catch up until close to triple digit.
So there you have it. E55 should be able to win pretty much any street race against M5 as long as you shut it down prior to triple digit. Since my wife is really not that good a driver and still beats me, i would ventur to say that anyone that has any kind of skill (even just launch the E55 at higher RPM than idle) should open at least a car length lead within the legal speed range.
I still don't know how did C&D able to achieve 0-60 in same time on the M5 as CLS. There is no way that US M5 would recover that quickly.
E55 setup- one driver weighs about 140 lb. In S mode. Launch at idle.
Run 1- M5 in P500S, DSC off, launch at idle.
E55 got about half a car jump on me, and was increasing the lead probably until about 60 mph or so (about 1 car length ahead). After that I am finally to begin to pull on the E55, at about 100 mph, i am roughly about a half hood behind, and after that is all M5. She was pretty far behind at about 130 when i shut it down.
Run 2- Same as run one, except I used LC.
This time E55 did not get that much jump on the M. The E55 opened about 1/3 car length lead on the M, and maintained that lead to about 70 mph, and i was even at around 80 to 90 or so (did not pay attention). By 100 mph I am about 3/4 ahead and the lead was increasing fast.
We tried this couple more times, but I was never able to catch up until close to triple digit.
So there you have it. E55 should be able to win pretty much any street race against M5 as long as you shut it down prior to triple digit. Since my wife is really not that good a driver and still beats me, i would ventur to say that anyone that has any kind of skill (even just launch the E55 at higher RPM than idle) should open at least a car length lead within the legal speed range.
I still don't know how did C&D able to achieve 0-60 in same time on the M5 as CLS. There is no way that US M5 would recover that quickly.
12-13-2005, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
I still don't know how did C&D able to achieve 0-60 in same time on the M5 as CLS. There is no way that US M5 would recover that quickly.
Thanks for the experiment result.
12-13-2005, 08:32 PM
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Hey thanks so much....wow, torque really does make a big difference. Even with 30 less hp, she stills pulls it.
Man, E63 got a lot on the line.....gonna be interesting.
Man, E63 got a lot on the line.....gonna be interesting.
12-13-2005, 09:08 PM
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Good info Krispy! Thanks for sharing. Even a bigger 
to your wife for going through with this test. The things they put up with when it comes to our toys! :p
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to your wife for going through with this test. The things they put up with when it comes to our toys! :p Nick
12-13-2005, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey thanks so much....wow, torque really does make a big difference. Even with 30 less hp, she stills pulls it.
Man, E63 got a lot on the line.....gonna be interesting.
Man, E63 got a lot on the line.....gonna be interesting.
I did notice that my M5 has gotten a little more powerful as mileage piles on. I was having difficult time spinning the tires right after the 1200 miles service even with launch control to launch the car at 1600 RPM.
However, I was able to do that consistently now. I would suspect by the time that break in is done at 3100 miles, M5 should be a little closer. But i still believe it will not win especially after my wife beats me.
12-13-2005, 09:35 PM
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Why is the M5 faster past the 100 mph mark??
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
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12-13-2005, 09:39 PM
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Why is the M5 faster past the 100 mph mark??
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
It can breathe!
12-13-2005, 11:09 PM
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HP wins at the top end and torque wins at the bottom end. I traded in my CLS55 for the M5. I am not passed the break in yet, but Krispy verified what I have suspected all along...these cars are very evenly matched. The M5 is unquestionably more fun to drive as it is a more driver-involved experience.
I would love to see MB come out with a choice for a different gearbox. I really believe that the 63 motored cars will be even a more formidable force to be reckoned with. My end result for my daily driver will be the M6 when it is available, but I hope to be back in a MB product (other than my wife's R500 - which will be replaced with the R63 when available).
I would love to see MB come out with a choice for a different gearbox. I really believe that the 63 motored cars will be even a more formidable force to be reckoned with. My end result for my daily driver will be the M6 when it is available, but I hope to be back in a MB product (other than my wife's R500 - which will be replaced with the R63 when available).
Originally Posted by BoBcanada
you forgot extra 2 gears which IS WHY it is faster.
12-13-2005, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
After some convincing and getting my M5 back from dealer, my wife finally decided to help me out and ran the E55 along with my M5. The result is pretty much what i suspected, E55 can't be touched unless we are in triple digit territory.
E55 setup- one driver weighs about 140 lb. In S mode. Launch at idle.
Run 1- M5 in P500S, DSC off, launch at idle.
E55 got about half a car jump on me, and was increasing the lead probably until about 60 mph or so (about 1 car length ahead). After that I am finally to begin to pull on the E55, at about 100 mph, i am roughly about a half hood behind, and after that is all M5. She was pretty far behind at about 130 when i shut it down.
Run 2- Same as run one, except I used LC.
This time E55 did not get that much jump on the M. The E55 opened about 1/3 car length lead on the M, and maintained that lead to about 70 mph, and i was even at around 80 to 90 or so (did not pay attention). By 100 mph I am about 3/4 ahead and the lead was increasing fast.
We tried this couple more times, but I was never able to catch up until close to triple digit.
So there you have it. E55 should be able to win pretty much any street race against M5 as long as you shut it down prior to triple digit. Since my wife is really not that good a driver and still beats me, i would ventur to say that anyone that has any kind of skill (even just launch the E55 at higher RPM than idle) should open at least a car length lead within the legal speed range.
I still don't know how did C&D able to achieve 0-60 in same time on the M5 as CLS. There is no way that US M5 would recover that quickly.
E55 setup- one driver weighs about 140 lb. In S mode. Launch at idle.
Run 1- M5 in P500S, DSC off, launch at idle.
E55 got about half a car jump on me, and was increasing the lead probably until about 60 mph or so (about 1 car length ahead). After that I am finally to begin to pull on the E55, at about 100 mph, i am roughly about a half hood behind, and after that is all M5. She was pretty far behind at about 130 when i shut it down.
Run 2- Same as run one, except I used LC.
This time E55 did not get that much jump on the M. The E55 opened about 1/3 car length lead on the M, and maintained that lead to about 70 mph, and i was even at around 80 to 90 or so (did not pay attention). By 100 mph I am about 3/4 ahead and the lead was increasing fast.
We tried this couple more times, but I was never able to catch up until close to triple digit.
So there you have it. E55 should be able to win pretty much any street race against M5 as long as you shut it down prior to triple digit. Since my wife is really not that good a driver and still beats me, i would ventur to say that anyone that has any kind of skill (even just launch the E55 at higher RPM than idle) should open at least a car length lead within the legal speed range.
I still don't know how did C&D able to achieve 0-60 in same time on the M5 as CLS. There is no way that US M5 would recover that quickly.
12-14-2005, 01:05 AM
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Wow! My wife yells at me when I drive over 80 with her in the car. The M5 is so loud in P500S that I can't try to "sneak" by her due to exhaust sound being noticeably louder at 4000RPM. KK, nice write up. I did similar runs against my buddy's 06 E55...results were different for me.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone? ).
Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone?
).Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
12-14-2005, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by E552006
Why is the M5 faster past the 100 mph mark??
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Gearing.
12-14-2005, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by E55_POWER
Wow! My wife yells at me when I drive over 80 with her in the car. The M5 is so loud in P500S that I can't try to "sneak" by her due to exhaust sound being noticeably louder at 4000RPM. KK, nice write up. I did similar runs against my buddy's 06 E55...results were different for me.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone? ).
Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone?
).Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
Can we do the same runs an see what happens
btw - did you get my messages?
12-14-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by E552006
Why is the M5 faster past the 100 mph mark??
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
7 sp SMG...
as mentioned before.. the E55 should fair well unti about 110+/- or the 1/4 distance.. after that the gearing of the M5 will help it keep pulling.
You will need a pulley and chip upgrade at least to make it closer after 110+....
and of course a K2 package will make it a beast!
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12-14-2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
You got owned by your wife... 
:p
:pSo in that sense i got owned both way.
12-14-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by E55_POWER
Wow! My wife yells at me when I drive over 80 with her in the car. The M5 is so loud in P500S that I can't try to "sneak" by her due to exhaust sound being noticeably louder at 4000RPM. KK, nice write up. I did similar runs against my buddy's 06 E55...results were different for me.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone? ).
Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
From standing start, E55 just kicked my *** cuz my M5 just sat there - LC was not a good idea. E55 was in S2 Traction on - M5 P500S DSC Off.
From a roll at 10MPH, the M5 actually pulls ahead due to E55 being at it's peak torque area so the E55 just kept hitting traction and could not really get going.
Same race with traction off and it was worse, E55 went sideways (LSD anyone?
).Tried it from 35ish MPH and the M5 seemed to have an advantage due to "lack of torque" maybe? and it allowed engine to keep winding up. I did notice that the S6 in the M5 allows it to lunge forward as the car is shifting.
I agree that I don't know how C&D got the times they did as the race off the line we did, I could not recover that fast to even remotely achieve 4.2 sec to 60...I raise BS Flag to C&D
In any case, it's so damn cold here that no super cars are gonna get any traction.
From roll, I think M5 could win simply because you can be in higher rev and much closer to powerband. But from dead stop, M5 will have no shot.
That's why Gustav only posted video of rolling start runs. M5 does not launch well from dead stop.
12-14-2005, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by E552006
Why is the M5 faster past the 100 mph mark??
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
Heat soak of the IC.
I would bet you my ***...well not my ***, that a stock E55 with an IC upgrade such as the one from EVO would fair much better.
M5 gearing is much more agressive than E55 plus it has two extra gears to play with.
M5's pull past 100 mph is really excellent. Between 100 to 130 during my run, I was able to pull as much as 6~7 car lengths ahead. It was that fast. Once M5 begin to pull away from E55, it really pulls away.
I don't think with IC upgrade or EVO pulley would make up a huge difference. I would tend to think that E63 with a 7 speed slushbox should do quiet well. When E63 gets released and DCX decide to pair it with a 7 speed gear box, the E63 may take a step back on 0-60 run, but should vastly improve the 100+ times.
12-14-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
you forgot extra 2 gears which IS WHY it is faster.
Please explain to us WHY the extra 2 gears make it faster.
12-14-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
Don't think so.
M5 gearing is much more agressive than E55 plus it has two extra gears to play with.
M5's pull past 100 mph is really excellent. Between 100 to 130 during my run, I was able to pull as much as 6~7 car lengths ahead. It was that fast. Once M5 begin to pull away from E55, it really pulls away.
I don't think with IC upgrade or EVO pulley would make up a huge difference. I would tend to think that E63 with a 7 speed slushbox should do quiet well. When E63 gets released and DCX decide to pair it with a 7 speed gear box, the E63 may take a step back on 0-60 run, but should vastly improve the 100+ times.
M5 gearing is much more agressive than E55 plus it has two extra gears to play with.
M5's pull past 100 mph is really excellent. Between 100 to 130 during my run, I was able to pull as much as 6~7 car lengths ahead. It was that fast. Once M5 begin to pull away from E55, it really pulls away.
I don't think with IC upgrade or EVO pulley would make up a huge difference. I would tend to think that E63 with a 7 speed slushbox should do quiet well. When E63 gets released and DCX decide to pair it with a 7 speed gear box, the E63 may take a step back on 0-60 run, but should vastly improve the 100+ times.
Gearing has a lot to do with it also
