Maybach throttle body vs bored stocker
#28
..........i have changed my stock throtle body in my G55 with the larger throtle body sold by Kleemann. This was done in combination with change of the camshafts. RWHP went from 457 to 491, reprsenting an increase of 34RWHP. I doubt that Kleemann actually manufactures a brand new throtle body. Does anyone know where the Kleemann throtle body upgrade is sourced from? Incidentally, the torque figures did not change. torque was 529 before and went to after throtle body and camsg=haft replacement. I am very happy with results, but was curious to know if the lack of change in torque numbers is common.
Ted
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Heh Vadim, Thanks for blazing the trail here. I know everyone that is interested surely appreciates it.
Do you hink I would see the same results on a NA C55 engine??
thanks again
Do you hink I would see the same results on a NA C55 engine??
thanks again
#31
Originally Posted by dsc
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm understanding that if you bore the stock thottle body to 76mm you still use the stock size butterfly or do you fabricate a new one?
#33
Hi guys, i'm new to the forum, and i find this a very intresting thread anyone know if this would work on a SLK55, i know the gains are small on a N/A engine, however i plan on installing a Kleemann S/C in the near future. Now my question is will it still fit ?
i have a contact in the GTA area that specializes in tuning Mercedes cars, and does custom tuning. do i need special ECU tuning for this TB mod for the extra AIR going in ?
your help will be greatly appreciated
i have a contact in the GTA area that specializes in tuning Mercedes cars, and does custom tuning. do i need special ECU tuning for this TB mod for the extra AIR going in ?
your help will be greatly appreciated
#34
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I ordered the ported TB from Evosport. Should be shipped by middle of next week..
I am going to put it on the car and try it out.. Once they finish the SLR intercoolers, I'll pull the supercharger, install the SLR intercooler upgrade and do they maybach TB at the same time.
This way I'll get to test both and see the benefits along the way.
As always, dyno charts will follow.
I am going to put it on the car and try it out.. Once they finish the SLR intercoolers, I'll pull the supercharger, install the SLR intercooler upgrade and do they maybach TB at the same time.
This way I'll get to test both and see the benefits along the way.
As always, dyno charts will follow.
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Hey V, just curious.
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
#37
Originally Posted by vrus
I ordered the ported TB from Evosport. Should be shipped by middle of next week..
I am going to put it on the car and try it out.. Once they finish the SLR intercoolers, I'll pull the supercharger, install the SLR intercooler upgrade and do they maybach TB at the same time.
This way I'll get to test both and see the benefits along the way.
As always, dyno charts will follow.
I am going to put it on the car and try it out.. Once they finish the SLR intercoolers, I'll pull the supercharger, install the SLR intercooler upgrade and do they maybach TB at the same time.
This way I'll get to test both and see the benefits along the way.
As always, dyno charts will follow.
#39
Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey V, just curious.
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
#41
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Yes, all W210 E55s are 3-valve
We are about to complete 6.2L upgrade from 4.3L block, which will also work on 5.5L block. I will post the results as soon it is done.
Going to 6.2L on 55 will not add more HP, it will add more TQ. HP will be ultimately limited by kompressor size. So we will still be around 700, it just require less boost to get there vs. 5.5L.
It will be next stage for intercooling. If you do not have our Cooling Package, it will come with new intercoolers. If already have it then there will be a discount.
Just matter of time and other projects. Starting 1st of the year it will be full steam ahead.
Will this work on W210 E55's as well? i forget if those are 3 valve as well or not.
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
Going to 6.2L on 55 will not add more HP, it will add more TQ. HP will be ultimately limited by kompressor size. So we will still be around 700, it just require less boost to get there vs. 5.5L.
How will the SLR intercooler upgrade relate to their current cooling upgrade?
Frankly, I'm still puzzled by why after 3 years some tuner hasn't figured out a way to make 800+ hp on a factory s/c'd V8 without using NO2. There may be a good reason, and I understand there are some more difficult issues presented here than were present on the s/c'd Cobra, but I don't know what the reason is.
#46
Umm ... Vadim, are the stock crankshafts gun barreled on the rod journals? Very cool.
Are you guys expecting actual power gains with the SLR-style intercoolers, or just consistency?
#47
Vadim, thanks for the feedback. What size is the current kompressor anyway? I'm guessing around 1.8-2.0 liters? Sounds like we need someone to design an intake for our cars that will mate up with something like a 2.4 liter Autorotor.
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It all depends on how much extra power it will give and the cost of the re & re of the engine.. If the power to money ratio is good I'd go for it.
I don't want to count chickens before they hatch, but I am pretty confident with all the things that are about to be released in the coming season, 700hp should be attainable.
The SLR cooling upgrade is a major one. It changes the air/water intercoolers and mounts them on top as 2 separate tanks, 2 separate pumps (if EVO decides to use separate ones), 2 separate overflow reservoirs. The compressor and the top half of the engine will have to come out of the car to do the install. I am assuming it will be a 2 day job to do the re/re.
I assume they will keep the extra heat exchanger on the front of the car for the added efficiency it brings. This should put our engine output on par with the SLR. Now, imagine adding pullies to an SLR and what do you get?? I would guess 670hp - 690hp. That's damn close to the 700hp I want..
I don't want to count chickens before they hatch, but I am pretty confident with all the things that are about to be released in the coming season, 700hp should be attainable.
Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey V, just curious.
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
If a tuner eventually comes out with actual engine mods for the 5.5 (higher compression pistons etc..) Would you yank it and start doing the ultimate modding? Just wondering how far the 700hp obsession will go?
Brabus bores out the V-12's. Wonder why they don't scr-ew around with the 5.5's. Sure a LOT more of them than 12's.
Someday.......
I assume they will keep the extra heat exchanger on the front of the car for the added efficiency it brings. This should put our engine output on par with the SLR. Now, imagine adding pullies to an SLR and what do you get?? I would guess 670hp - 690hp. That's damn close to the 700hp I want..
Originally Posted by R. Range
How will the SLR intercooler upgrade relate to their current cooling upgrade?
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
Ricky, are you getting a woody?
Here is one more to keep you wet.
Here is one more to keep you wet.
You are getting me waaaayy to excited here... Can't wait to get all this new stuff that is coming out of the shop!!
Enough talking... get back to work and finish those projects!!!!
#50
Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
......... I doubt that Kleemann actually manufactures a brand new throtle body. Does anyone know where the Kleemann throtle body upgrade is sourced from?
Ted
Ted
Per my conversations with Cory, the replacement throttle bodies for our cars which they sell are nothing more than those found on the CL/SL/S65 motors... they are just plain larger than ours. At one time, for just a brief moment, they actually CAME on a couple Euro versions of the E55, then they pulled them if favor of the smaller ones. Pretty sure that's what I remember him saying. Basically, they are just different Mercedes part numbers you order... confirm with Kleeman.
Bet this shakes up this thread...
Loren