BiTurboAmg

Well I am sad to say that early today I was put in my place by a 996 turbo s. I knew they were fast but not that fast. We ran to about 100 or so and then started to come up on other cars, which didnt matter he was pulling away with ease on me. The sad thing is from the light I was screwing around with my wife in her E46 m3 and saw him behind me so at about a rolling 10mph I punched it and thought I would leave him, once he was past my wife he went left to get on the side of me and that was all she wrote he not only caught me but had me by 2 cars by the time we let off the gas and if we had not he would have just kept going. None the less this was a sad day for me. I thought I had a rocket but was smoked and he even had the tiptronic. At the next light we stopped to talk and I asked what he had done if anything and he said "all factory". Any one know if the k2 would have done much better or do we need to move over to the 600's with mods or 65's to run with these cars?

MBE55AMG

Just remember you're in a 4-door weighing in at 2-tons competing against an obviously lighter, more nimble vehicle. I bet even he was impressed (although didn't care to mention) that a sedan could be somewhat a competition against his coupe.

Jakpro1

See I KNEW I had reason to fear! My wife introduced me to a guy (one of those wife's friend's husband things..UCK) who was a jerk, but rolled in an X50.

I guess I would still give it a go. I have the mods, but at 5000ft sea level, it's like my car is almost back to stock.

I still think he would take me up here.

DRCrowder

Since he is FI too, wouldn't he suffer the same in the same condidtioins?

merc655

yea he would be at the same disadvantage but i would love to hear a nice kill story from you...

rbc55

i ran a 996 turbo from a roll around 40 mph to 120 and he beat me barely half a car length,the one that beat you probably had an ecu flash done to beat you 2 car lengths,my car is bone stock. a k2 would have had no problem with a stock 996 turbo ,probably not with a slightly modded one either

Can Drive 55

Jak, I remember your story a while back about that guy. I think it is time to put him in his place. Remember, you both will be at the same altitude.

BiTurboAmg

Yeah the turbo s has 450hp and 457lbft so it is beefed up over the turbo. He said he had the x50 package but I think the turbo s and the x50 are two different cars but I am not sure. The back of his car said turbo s. I looked it up and it said that the car has a curb weight of 3500lbs so 500-600 lbs less if I am correct.

draggingcents2

Do not race a Z06 then. I smoked a 996 TT with turbo mods. We did 5 races 3 from a roll and 2 from a dead dig. He did a 5000rpm clutch dump and I caught him at top of first and into 2nd. 996 are slow slow slow. The first dead dig I spun tires all the way thru first and still caught him by the time I slamed it into 3rd.

Tony007

Draggingcents2,

Is your Z06 still stock at the moment?

Do you have any mods on your E55?

L8Apex

Don't be sad! You have an $85k 4 door vs. a 125K+ sports car. It's actually funny to see a 4door put up such a fight. I know for a fact that a 996 turbo s from 0-100 might be 1/2-1 car length (max) ahead of a stock e55. The new Pcars are easy to mod. It would be safe to say that this car was reprogrammed based on the performance you indicated. If it were truly stock it would be much closer unless you started in 2nd.

By the way, the difference between a 996tt and a turbo "s" is minimal. The “s” has 30+ more hp and some other joker mods. Sadly, today the "s" on the back of a Porsche is just another marketing gimmick. The true "s" ended with the 993tt. Even the 964 turbo “s” gave you 85hp+ over the base model and a whole bunch of awesome mods. Plus, they kept the exclusivity of the “s” to only 80 models produced.

zoink

X50 and Turbo S should produce similar, if not the same, output.

I don't think stock E55 is a match to X50 / Turbo S given weight disadvantage. 2 car-length from 10-100 is already good (tip should be a lot easier to drive than manual).

E55 Stage 2, like Jakpro1's, should be a close call..... all depends on the driver. Altitude should affect performance for both S/C and turbo but IMO more disadvantage to S/C given how the air intake is fed.

Would be interested in knowing the outcome for Jakpro1's race w/ X50.

BoBcanada

Dont forget those cars even more easier to mod, just with ecu + exhaust they get up to 500hp and 500tq. I think it was a moded one.

Fikse

hard to say, all 911 needs is a little tweak in the boost for an extra 50+ HP.....

04E55 AMG

With K2, you would pull on the Turbo S if it was just stock with no other Stage mods.

Rafal

He must have had mods. I raced against a stock 996 TT on a circuit track and from a rolling start around the last bend, from 45mph to 140 mph down the straight, I beat him inside a 1/4 mi. Watch the end of this video, if you want to see a 996 TT run out of puff .
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=E...reek-Australia

Rafal

The same day I did 12.3 sec 1/4 mile at the drags, the editor of Motor magazine, who a few months earlier managed 12.9 csec in an E55, did 11.99sec in a 966Turbo S. There are many guys on this forum who did low 12s and high 11'sin their stock E55's.
All modified cars are in low to mid 11's, with Derek doing 10.95 with a squirt of "dentist's loughing gas"
Porsches 996 Turbo, stock, are not that fast that we should worry too much about them. The Turbo S is a bit quicker, though

AMG_55

his car was definitely not stock.
or u started in 2nd.

sticky2

Man, for guys who think they know their cars I am suprised at all the misinformation in this thread.

A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.

If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.

E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.

04E55 AMG

Haing owned 911TT when stock and modded w/Stage 2 and a stock E55 and modded with K2 that runs mid 11's! No misinformation here just real world info from real world folks that owned these cars. You get so much info on these boards from folks who never have owned these cars.

Vetluver

Sorry to differ in my opinion but I personally have smoked a 996TT with an x50 kit 3 times in row to 100 on the street. Both vehicles were bone stock. The other fellow is a close friend of mine and took his car to Porsche complaining that something was wrong. They checked it out and told him that it must be the way he was shifting. He is not novice and has had many other Porsches and sports cars.

When you are measuring performance on the street there are many factors that can account for 2 or 3 tenths of a second, driving ability is the most obvious. Still, a stock 996 TTX50 will not walk away from an E55...in a straight line. :p

zoink

Doesn't mean to take offense Not owning or never owned the car doesn't mean never driven it frequently :p

Here's my argument again:

On paper (and I think avg. real-world results):
Stock E55: low 12's @ around 115 mph
Stock Turbo S: high 11's @ around 119 mph
Just like Rafal claimed to see....

Real world:
Stock tip turbo S, I would bet it would walk stock E55. Little driver's skill involved. This is what the OP thought happened (based on info of Turbo S owner - stock).

Stock manual turbo S. Not sure I got 1sec worse than on paper in my C4S. So it all depends on the driver. Inexperienced driver: E55 would walk... Experienced driver: Turbo S would walk..... so-so driver: probably dead even.

I think the ones that are more comparable:
Stock Turbo vs. stock E55
Turbo S vs. modded E55 (like stage 2)

zoink

Well said and clearly support my argument above..... Wouldn't be surprised in either results (E55 wins or Turbo / Turbo S / Turbo X50 wins), especially if the TT is manual.

Jakpro1

Okay, that's it.....it's time to end this either way.

I am gonna prod this guy to see where he is racing next and then I am gonna show up and give it a go. I know it's a hot debate, but I just believe that at high alt, turbs do better as they spin up to wastegate while my blower just chugs along.

Hopefully he makes a trip to Sacramento (sea level) , then I am gonna kill him and kill him good.

Either way, I have a healthy respect for P cars and if he gets me, he gets me up here.

Thanks for the props though you guys.....we'll see.

He might be done til spring but I am gonna start working him when I bump into him. Wish he was like RenntechV12, now there's a cool guy...WITH CASH. Seems like it's always the ones pretending to be loaded that are the biggest jerks huh?

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Addendum.....something that does keep bugging me that Jerk-o-matic hit me with. If Superchargers get killed at altitude, why did the Germans use them on their fighters flying at 10,000ft +. Ours are spinning at like, what 20,000 rpms already....the German planes couldn't have spun faster than that right? Maybe it was a small increase thing on the planes and they were just happy with the 5-10% increase they got from the Superchargers.
It was a good point.

55User

The Turbo should win as it was engineered to be a high-performance, all-out sports car from the get go, MBs are designed to be luxury cars and are then built to be high-performers once AMG finishes the product. I'd say just giving the Turbo a run and loosing slightly like you did is showing how great AMGs are. A four door luxury sedan giving a high-performance exotic a run for it's money, that is why these cars sell.