06 E55 vs 996 TURBO S
Thread Starter
Super Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 975
Likes: 0
SL65 AMG
06 E55 vs 996 TURBO S
Well I am sad to say that early today I was put in my place by a 996 turbo s. I knew they were fast but not that fast. We ran to about 100 or so and then started to come up on other cars, which didnt matter he was pulling away with ease on me. The sad thing is from the light I was screwing around with my wife in her E46 m3 and saw him behind me so at about a rolling 10mph I punched it and thought I would leave him, once he was past my wife he went left to get on the side of me and that was all she wrote he not only caught me but had me by 2 cars by the time we let off the gas and if we had not he would have just kept going. None the less this was a sad day for me. I thought I had a rocket but was smoked and he even had the tiptronic. At the next light we stopped to talk and I asked what he had done if anything and he said "all factory". Any one know if the k2 would have done much better or do we need to move over to the 600's with mods or 65's to run with these cars?
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 5,465
Likes: 0
From: Palm Beach, FL
'03 Yukon XL Denali, '06 Eclipse GS
Just remember you're in a 4-door weighing in at 2-tons competing against an obviously lighter, more nimble vehicle. I bet even he was impressed (although didn't care to mention) that a sedan could be somewhat a competition against his coupe.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,092
Likes: 13
From: Salt Lake City (but not Morm)
2003 E55 & 2014 GL550
See I KNEW I had reason to fear! My wife introduced me to a guy (one of those wife's friend's husband things..UCK) who was a jerk, but rolled in an X50.
I guess I would still give it a go. I have the mods, but at 5000ft sea level, it's like my car is almost back to stock.
I still think he would take me up here.
I guess I would still give it a go. I have the mods, but at 5000ft sea level, it's like my car is almost back to stock.
I still think he would take me up here.
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
From: Collegeville, PA
05 E55, 03 Z4 3.0
Originally Posted by Jakpro1
See I KNEW I had reason to fear! My wife introduced me to a guy (one of those wife's friend's husband things..UCK) who was a jerk, but rolled in an X50.
I guess I would still give it a go. I have the mods, but at 5000ft sea level, it's like my car is almost back to stock.
I still think he would take me up here.
I guess I would still give it a go. I have the mods, but at 5000ft sea level, it's like my car is almost back to stock.
I still think he would take me up here.
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 265
Likes: 0
From: orlando,fl.
2005 e55
Originally Posted by 06E55
Well I am sad to say that early today I was put in my place by a 996 turbo s. I knew they were fast but not that fast. We ran to about 100 or so and then started to come up on other cars, which didnt matter he was pulling away with ease on me. The sad thing is from the light I was screwing around with my wife in her E46 m3 and saw him behind me so at about a rolling 10mph I punched it and thought I would leave him, once he was past my wife he went left to get on the side of me and that was all she wrote he not only caught me but had me by 2 cars by the time we let off the gas and if we had not he would have just kept going. None the less this was a sad day for me. I thought I had a rocket but was smoked and he even had the tiptronic. At the next light we stopped to talk and I asked what he had done if anything and he said "all factory". Any one know if the k2 would have done much better or do we need to move over to the 600's with mods or 65's to run with these cars?
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
Super Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 975
Likes: 0
SL65 AMG
Originally Posted by rbc55
i ran a 996 turbo from a roll around 40 mph to 120 and he beat me barely half a car length,the one that beat you probably had an ecu flash done to beat you 2 car lengths,my car is bone stock. a k2 would have had no problem with a stock 996 turbo ,probably not with a slightly modded one either
MB World Stories
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Verdad Gallardo
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine
Verdad Gallardo
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction
Verdad Gallardo
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know
Verdad Gallardo
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve
Verdad Gallardo
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping
Verdad Gallardo
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used
Verdad Gallardo
Senior Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 371
Likes: 0
From: OC
2005 E55
Do not race a Z06 then. I smoked a 996 TT with turbo mods. We did 5 races 3 from a roll and 2 from a dead dig. He did a 5000rpm clutch dump and I caught him at top of first and into 2nd. 996 are slow slow slow. The first dead dig I spun tires all the way thru first and still caught him by the time I slamed it into 3rd.
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 288
Likes: 0
From: Orlando FL
2010 ZR1 2011 JGC Overland 2013 ML63 on order
Originally Posted by draggingcents2
Do not race a Z06 then. I smoked a 996 TT with turbo mods. We did 5 races 3 from a roll and 2 from a dead dig. He did a 5000rpm clutch dump and I caught him at top of first and into 2nd. 996 are slow slow slow. The first dead dig I spun tires all the way thru first and still caught him by the time I slamed it into 3rd.
Is your Z06 still stock at the moment?
Do you have any mods on your E55?
Super Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 689
Likes: 2
From: So. Cal
05E55
Don't be sad! You have an $85k 4 door vs. a 125K+ sports car. It's actually funny to see a 4door put up such a fight. I know for a fact that a 996 turbo s from 0-100 might be 1/2-1 car length (max) ahead of a stock e55. The new Pcars are easy to mod. It would be safe to say that this car was reprogrammed based on the performance you indicated. If it were truly stock it would be much closer unless you started in 2nd.
By the way, the difference between a 996tt and a turbo "s" is minimal. The “s” has 30+ more hp and some other joker mods. Sadly, today the "s" on the back of a Porsche is just another marketing gimmick. The true "s" ended with the 993tt. Even the 964 turbo “s” gave you 85hp+ over the base model and a whole bunch of awesome mods. Plus, they kept the exclusivity of the “s” to only 80 models produced.
By the way, the difference between a 996tt and a turbo "s" is minimal. The “s” has 30+ more hp and some other joker mods. Sadly, today the "s" on the back of a Porsche is just another marketing gimmick. The true "s" ended with the 993tt. Even the 964 turbo “s” gave you 85hp+ over the base model and a whole bunch of awesome mods. Plus, they kept the exclusivity of the “s” to only 80 models produced.
Last edited by L8Apex; Jan 22, 2006 at 10:22 PM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,450
Likes: 1
1989 Toyota Tercel EZ - dyno'd @ 70whp/77wtq
X50 and Turbo S should produce similar, if not the same, output.
I don't think stock E55 is a match to X50 / Turbo S given weight disadvantage. 2 car-length from 10-100 is already good (tip should be a lot easier to drive than manual).
E55 Stage 2, like Jakpro1's, should be a close call..... all depends on the driver. Altitude should affect performance for both S/C and turbo but IMO more disadvantage to S/C given how the air intake is fed.
Would be interested in knowing the outcome for Jakpro1's race w/ X50.
I don't think stock E55 is a match to X50 / Turbo S given weight disadvantage. 2 car-length from 10-100 is already good (tip should be a lot easier to drive than manual).
E55 Stage 2, like Jakpro1's, should be a close call..... all depends on the driver. Altitude should affect performance for both S/C and turbo but IMO more disadvantage to S/C given how the air intake is fed.
Would be interested in knowing the outcome for Jakpro1's race w/ X50.
Super Member
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 947
Likes: 1
From: Maryland
04E55AMG, 05Dodge RAM 1500 Quad Cab, 02Montero Limited
Originally Posted by Fikse
hard to say, all 911 needs is a little tweak in the boost for an extra 50+ HP.....
With K2, you would pull on the Turbo S if it was just stock with no other Stage mods.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 3
From: Sydney, Australia
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by 06E55
Well I am sad to say that early today I was put in my place by a 996 turbo s. I knew they were fast but not that fast. We ran to about 100 or so and then started to come up on other cars, which didnt matter he was pulling away with ease on me. The sad thing is from the light I was screwing around with my wife in her E46 m3 and saw him behind me so at about a rolling 10mph I punched it and thought I would leave him, once he was past my wife he went left to get on the side of me and that was all she wrote he not only caught me but had me by 2 cars by the time we let off the gas and if we had not he would have just kept going. None the less this was a sad day for me. I thought I had a rocket but was smoked and he even had the tiptronic. At the next light we stopped to talk and I asked what he had done if anything and he said "all factory". Any one know if the k2 would have done much better or do we need to move over to the 600's with mods or 65's to run with these cars?
.http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=E...reek-Australia
Last edited by Rafal; Jan 23, 2006 at 04:03 AM.
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,143
Likes: 3
From: Sydney, Australia
2017 S63 Coupe Iridium Silver
Originally Posted by 04E55 AMG
With K2, you would pull on the Turbo S if it was just stock with no other Stage mods.
All modified cars are in low to mid 11's, with Derek doing 10.95 with a squirt of "dentist's loughing gas"
Porsches 996 Turbo, stock, are not that fast that we should worry too much about them. The Turbo S is a bit quicker, though
Last edited by Rafal; Jan 23, 2006 at 04:09 AM.
Banned
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 464
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by AMG_55
his car was definitely not stock.
or u started in 2nd.
or u started in 2nd.
A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.
If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.
E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.
Super Member
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 947
Likes: 1
From: Maryland
04E55AMG, 05Dodge RAM 1500 Quad Cab, 02Montero Limited
Originally Posted by sticky2
Man, for guys who think they know their cars I am suprised at all the misinformation in this thread.
A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.
If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.
E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.
A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.
If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.
E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.
Super Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 791
Likes: 0
From: Monroe, Louisiana
SL 65 AMG and E63s AMG
Originally Posted by sticky2
Man, for guys who think they know their cars I am suprised at all the misinformation in this thread.
A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.
If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.
E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.
A stock turbo S will walk an e55, no questions asked. This is a car that is lighter and traps 5 mph higher than an e55 with AWD, what is to wonder? The turbo S has the k24 turbos (same as the GT2) and with a chip and exhaust it isn't a 50 hp gain but would put the car at 600 hp, or about 525 @ the wheels depending on your dyno.
If the turbo S was chipped you would have known, as you wouldn't have been able to see him.
E55's are more of a match for a stock 996 turbo non x50 and non S.
When you are measuring performance on the street there are many factors that can account for 2 or 3 tenths of a second, driving ability is the most obvious. Still, a stock 996 TTX50 will not walk away from an E55...in a straight line. :p
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,450
Likes: 1
1989 Toyota Tercel EZ - dyno'd @ 70whp/77wtq
Doesn't mean to take offense Not owning or never owned the car doesn't mean never driven it frequently :p
Here's my argument again:
On paper (and I think avg. real-world results):
Stock E55: low 12's @ around 115 mph
Stock Turbo S: high 11's @ around 119 mph
Just like Rafal claimed to see....
Real world:
Stock tip turbo S, I would bet it would walk stock E55. Little driver's skill involved. This is what the OP thought happened (based on info of Turbo S owner - stock).
Stock manual turbo S. Not sure
I got 1sec worse than on paper in my C4S. So it all depends on the driver. Inexperienced driver: E55 would walk... Experienced driver: Turbo S would walk..... so-so driver: probably dead even.
I think the ones that are more comparable:
Stock Turbo vs. stock E55
Turbo S vs. modded E55 (like stage 2)
Not owning or never owned the car doesn't mean never driven it frequently :pHere's my argument again:
On paper (and I think avg. real-world results):
Stock E55: low 12's @ around 115 mph
Stock Turbo S: high 11's @ around 119 mph
Just like Rafal claimed to see....
Real world:
Stock tip turbo S, I would bet it would walk stock E55. Little driver's skill involved. This is what the OP thought happened (based on info of Turbo S owner - stock).
Stock manual turbo S. Not sure
I got 1sec worse than on paper in my C4S. So it all depends on the driver. Inexperienced driver: E55 would walk... Experienced driver: Turbo S would walk..... so-so driver: probably dead even.I think the ones that are more comparable:
Stock Turbo vs. stock E55
Turbo S vs. modded E55 (like stage 2)
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,450
Likes: 1
1989 Toyota Tercel EZ - dyno'd @ 70whp/77wtq
Originally Posted by Vetluver
Sorry to differ in my opinion but I personally have smoked a 996TT with an x50 kit 3 times in row to 100 on the street. Both vehicles were bone stock. The other fellow is a close friend of mine and took his car to Porsche complaining that something was wrong. They checked it out and told him that it must be the way he was shifting. He is not novice and has had many other Porsches and sports cars.
When you are measuring performance on the street there are many factors that can account for 2 or 3 tenths of a second, driving ability is the most obvious. Still, a stock 996 TTX50 will not walk away from an E55...in a straight line. :p
When you are measuring performance on the street there are many factors that can account for 2 or 3 tenths of a second, driving ability is the most obvious. Still, a stock 996 TTX50 will not walk away from an E55...in a straight line. :p
MBWorld Fanatic!
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,092
Likes: 13
From: Salt Lake City (but not Morm)
2003 E55 & 2014 GL550
Jak, I remember your story a while back about that guy. I think it is time to put him in his place. Remember, you both will be at the same altitude.
I am gonna prod this guy to see where he is racing next and then I am gonna show up and give it a go. I know it's a hot debate, but I just believe that at high alt, turbs do better as they spin up to wastegate while my blower just chugs along.
Hopefully he makes a trip to Sacramento (sea level) , then I am gonna kill him and kill him good.
Either way, I have a healthy respect for P cars and if he gets me, he gets me up here.
Thanks for the props though you guys.....we'll see.
He might be done til spring but I am gonna start working him when I bump into him. Wish he was like RenntechV12, now there's a cool guy...WITH CASH. Seems like it's always the ones pretending to be loaded that are the biggest jerks huh?
****
Addendum.....something that does keep bugging me that Jerk-o-matic hit me with. If Superchargers get killed at altitude, why did the Germans use them on their fighters flying at 10,000ft +. Ours are spinning at like, what 20,000 rpms already....the German planes couldn't have spun faster than that right? Maybe it was a small increase thing on the planes and they were just happy with the 5-10% increase they got from the Superchargers.
It was a good point.
Last edited by Jakpro1; Jan 23, 2006 at 10:14 AM.
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 459
Likes: 0
From: The Lake
An Affalterbach Beast & Others
The Turbo should win as it was engineered to be a high-performance, all-out sports car from the get go, MBs are designed to be luxury cars and are then built to be high-performers once AMG finishes the product. I'd say just giving the Turbo a run and loosing slightly like you did is showing how great AMGs are. A four door luxury sedan giving a high-performance exotic a run for it's money, that is why these cars sell.
