First the first-gen 540i engine failures, then the blown E46 M3 engine fiasco, and now this...is BMW ever going to release a first-gen run without serious engine problems??
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=62430

 

Did you read where it says

"UPDATE: Until now, dealers have been replacing the failed hose with the exact same part. It now seems an updated part is available which should fix the problem. Make sure that your dealer replaces the failed hose with the new part."


Wouldn't want to have the quality of service to exceed the quality of product......

 

That sucks. But it seems pretty minor in the big scheme of things. Hopefully the dealers are detailing their undercarriages if they've been driving around pissing oil all over the place.

 

I would not lament on the subject of BMW realibility,b/c mb has its fair share,just look on the list of reacalls,and read our thread on reoccuring problem that we are experiencing.These manufacturers both BMW and MB needs to start paying better attention to the car they are manufacturing,for the price we are paying,especially since Honda and Toyoya,which is a far inferiof can,realibility far surpasses those of MB and BMW.
Not trying to start a pissing contest but this is a reality.

 

^ what he said

 

What makes Lexus and Acura far inferior especialy if their reliability surpasses that of MB and BMW?

 

Like i said,not trying to start a pissing contest....just trying to give an example without having to make a list of all manufacturing car company.

 

all companies have their share of problems...

The early W211 has as much as any other car. Such is the case for my W203, but after it is all set in done the problems are ironed out.

The SMGII is what a lot of people are judging to be an improvement over the SMGI but still far from perfect.

 

I'm actually surprised a thread about German "reliability issues" was actually started.

 

TopGun32, are you talking about the SMGIII?

 

Toyota has one of the biggest recalls in history,Porsche is not immune,I've had my share of problems with MBs(some here may remember,first E55 in the US with the engine that blew up at idle on stop light,car with only 600 miles).
I'm lucky so far with the M5,only blown tire(the same wheel,twice)
There is no such thing as a fully,100% reliable car....

 

CORRECT. I'd *** that recent market forces have severely shortened automobile manufacturers concept to production cycles, forcing them to rely more and more upon post production, real world experience to identify and work out bugs and quality issues. Perhaps this is a flawed methodology, however it's driven by demand.

~ Ian

 

you'd "***"?

i know, i know, but it's a pretty damned funny typo, so forgive my pointing it out!


reliability issues in a first-model-year issue of a brand-new-all-over hyper-performance sedan? nah, you gotta be kidding!

i'm not surprised. and a leaky hose ain't but a drop in the ocean compared to some of the elektro-braking horror stories i've read on this board by early e55 adopters! give bimmer a couple of years and their m5'll be a great new car buy. for someone else, of course (i'm sticking with what i've got ).


i'm surprised... seeing a bmw-issues thread started by Improviz, i was expecting to see a flame war underway already between him and krispykreme (or any of the number of hilarious aliases Improviz has been known to tag krispykreme with)! oh krispy, where are you? :p

 

I'm not starting a pissing contest,I'm just commenting on the inferiority statement that you made,I think it's false! But you are entitled to your opinion because you offered not one detailed fact! I'll put the quality of a Lexus up to a MB or a especially a BMW anyday!

 

Well, I think that there are problems, and then there are big problems. Obviously, to put it charitibly, neither BMW nor Mercedes are standouts in the reliability department, but the key difference is that you won't find a page on the Internet set up by Mercedes owners detailing about 130 cases of blown engines within the first year of ownership like this one for the M3, which was set up by M3 owners:
http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm

Before that, the first-gen 540is were popping engines, and now, the M5 has oil line leaks--not a good thing in an engine with an 8,200 rpm redline.

I just don't understand why BMW doesn't have better QA on their engines, particularly in light of the earlier fiascos. The engine is the crown jewel of these things, after all....

German reliability is an oxymoron these days, but engine failures and the like are far more serious than electronic gremlins, etc....ymmv.

 

Dang. list is only getting larger. seems like a major problem

 

Now I'm curious, why didnt they use a high quality hydraulic hose in the first place? It might not be as flexible as the hose they use but its much better.