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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
OK, I'm confused. Is the dyno plot showing crank values or rear wheel values?

It looks like the torque curve is falling off too fast. The peak HP RPM is way too low, especially considering the cams. How's your IC system working?
I'm with Grumpy... very confused.

Your HP looks like it is falling off too early too. Peak hp should come in around 5500-5800rpm
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 04:01 AM
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Your HP looks like it is falling off too early too. Peak hp should come in around 5500-5800rpm
Yes, HP is a function of torque, so it will follow, but your expectations are a little low. With the cams, I think the HP should peak between 6100 and 6300 RPM.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by vrus


Thanks! Heads & intercooler will be the key to unlocking massive power.... My intercooler stuff will be less than half what the "other guys" are selling for...
VRUS:

Can you give any details to this yet? Very interested in BOTH!!
Along with Cams..............................
Now let's re-cap:

500RWHp + Heads + Cams + BETTER Cooling! + slightly more boost + shorter rear gear........................=............."POOF"

10.99 @ 130 in my "4 door grocery-getter"
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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I got my car back last night and my preliminary impression (butt dyno) is that it feels very strong. It was just starting to rain so I could not give it much of a flogging. If the rain breaks later today I will attempt to give you some 1/4 mile numbers at test-n-tune tonight.

Thanks Vic!
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 09:56 AM
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 10:55 AM
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OK, I'm confused. Is the dyno plot showing crank values or rear wheel values?

It looks like the torque curve is falling off too fast. The peak HP RPM is way too low, especially considering the cams. How's your IC system working?
Told ya Corrected values are just voodoo. Really don't care about that. I just wanted to know about Air Fuel and over-all performace. The car actually runs so smooth now, I was really worried performance was reduced.

I really was impressed with the 1/4 mile run on the Mustang. That is what really showed my improvement with VRUS TB. I bet with good launch at the right track, I am not going to hit 10's yet, but I am pretty friggin close for sure.

Starting to learn, Derek is 100% on. I just gotta take it to the track, otherwise we are just at the mercy of incorrect dynos/operators/conditions and correction ratios.

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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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a set of cams, ported heads maybe some oversize valves that's where the real chimichanga's live-all with a real powerband-
WOW i thought my 3.0 944T is fast these cars must be missles! Maybe it's time i bought a sedan!
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Annnnd, the graph for ya.

You can see where I ran lean. Next run fattened out much nicer. Max lean was around 12 on next one.

Uncorrected HP at 4300ft was 455 and TQ was 602ft lbs at 3038rpm.


Good numbers...I beleive you afre the most powerful E55 here !!! Congrads....

Are those are the numbers with ASP pulleys ???

Hopw do you adjust you ECU ???
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 11:48 AM
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Nah, no ASP, just the TB and Cams for now.

Heads and Intercooler next. Perhaps ASP some day soon.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Nah, no ASP, just the TB and Cams for now.

Heads and Intercooler next. Perhaps ASP some day soon.

Wow...sounds a lot for such mods...since most of K2 car makes 470 at the wheels...

Are you sure those numbers are calculated right ???

With bigger pulleys you will pass 750 HP mark !!!
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Told ya Corrected values are just voodoo. Really don't care about that. I just wanted to know about Air Fuel and over-all performace. The car actually runs so smooth now, I was really worried performance was reduced.

I really was impressed with the 1/4 mile run on the Mustang. That is what really showed my improvement with VRUS TB. I bet with good launch at the right track, I am not going to hit 10's yet, but I am pretty friggin close for sure.
Try not be be too seduced by those Mustang numbers. There doesn't appear to be much reality in them. With your mods, you're still about 75-100 WHP short of getting into the 10's. With a good launch (1.7-1.8 60' time), I would expect mid 11's with a trap speed in the 123-125 mph range - assuming your car is making full power.

One thing I would be concerned about is the torque dropoff at 4000 RPM. It's dropping faster than expected and is causing the HP to peak too soon. IOW, you're leaving some power on the table - I would guestimate 40-50 HP at around 5500 RPM. With your setup your HP should still be increasing at 6000 RPM. Can you log your IAT and timing? It looks like your IC may need some help.

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:13 AM
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sent payment today for one kit. do you think a person will need the supercharger gaskets to be on hand to replace for this change?
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Thanks Steve! Money received.. Updated list:

Kit #10 - Jspeed
Kit #11 - Loren
Kit #12 - e55 baller
Kit #13 - E55 Russ
Kit #14 - Fleebee
Kit #15 - jmf003
Kit #16 - rflow306
Kit #17 - clum553946
Kit #18 - GhettoDreams
Kit #19 - mbamg06e55
Kit #20 - Mad TKD
Kit #21 - chiromikey
Kit #22 - theboogers

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sent payment today for one kit. do you think a person will need the supercharger gaskets to be on hand to replace for this change?
thanks
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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Where are all the dynos...come on folks step up! Help a brotha out!

Cheers,

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Darren, Darren, Darren... Yee of little faith... Regardless of how much power it adds (and I know it adds power) the car turns into a completely different machine with the extra airflow...

I wish I could show you emails from the installers ... Everyone who drives the car before/after says the same thing... "Car is transformed into a completely different machine with this TB.."

I am waiting for approval from someone to post snippets of his email so you guys can get some feedback...


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Where are all the dynos...come on folks step up! Help a brotha out!

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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Come V-Man, I do not doubt you at all! I'm just really curious what type of HP difference it's making. I have full faith your ability to unleash the real beast in these engines .

Believably yours,

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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Seductive TB....I haven't jumped in on any mods yet, but they're oh so tempting.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by theboogers
sent payment today for one kit. do you think a person will need the supercharger gaskets to be on hand to replace for this change?
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yes, I would like to know as well....

So, I guess this isn't a home install I can do in the garage, eh? haha...



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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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yes, I would like to know as well....

So, I guess this isn't a home install I can do in the garage, eh? haha...



Loren
Nope... you gotta rip the s/c off the car.

When are you installing yours Loren?
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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Loren,

Dont even try this at home... Unless you REALLY want to experiment with your car.. I would leave this one up to the pros because alot of the vacuum lines, hoses, S/C, fuel lines, etc have to be disconnected to get this in.

As for the gaskets.. I supply the S/C inlet & TB gaskets.. The Intake manifold gaskets I dont supply because they dont get alot of wear/usage.. Mine still looked brand new when I looked at them.

Worst comes to Worse you can buy new ones at the dealer.. They are $21 each I believe. I didnt change mine.. Only changed the 2 that I supply with kit.

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yes, I would like to know as well....

So, I guess this isn't a home install I can do in the garage, eh? haha...



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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Victor, Show the photo that I sent you, I think it will put off the DIY guys...
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Good idea!!

Guys: My buddy from down-under... Finny.. Decided to tackle this himself... Well.. Here is a shot of his engine bay with install in progress.

Finny: I forgot to ask you.. how does your car feel with new TB in it? Is she a runner or is it still apart for the "other project".



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Victor, Show the photo that I sent you, I think it will put off the DIY guys...
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:38 PM
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Good idea!!

Guys: My buddy from down-under... Finny.. Decided to tackle this himself... Well.. Here is a shot of his engine bay with install in progress.

Finny: I forgot to ask you.. how does your car feel with new TB in it? Is she a runner or is it still apart for the "other project".

That's the best way to do it. Good work Finny. All i can do is wait for my tb kit to get here. What can i mod in the meanwhile.

PS: I can e-mail pdf instructions of the install from the dis if anyone is interested.

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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To pull it all apart, remove the old bits, clean, reinstall new bits and put everything back together...
About 5 hours taking my time because I just lost my super-charger virginity. I could do it in 3 to 4 hours next time or quicker if I had help. Very tricky though, just lucky I've got some mechanical skills. Anyway it's good therapy...

With my existing mods, the TB kit from Victor just woke every thing up! I seem to have traction problems 2nd and 3rd now

I can notice extra torque and quicker top end. It's not psychological but obviously noticeable. At 100 k's in 2nd and 3rd gear... when I nail it, ESP just flashes even on dry road. It go's off it's head! Will be interesting to see the dyno, but it dose wake it up.

One of the best value for money mods so far! Very, Very Happy Victor... Thanks Mate, keep up the good work!
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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What can i mod in the meanwhile.
What you could while your waiting is high pressure clean where the injectors are located. Sand and ****e etc... builds up in here so when you pull the puffer off you don't want the crap falling into the chamber.

Do this a day or two before the install so it's 100% dry the next day.

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