Very disappointed with Kleemann mods. (Long)
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Originally Posted by jangy
Brandon and Loren...PLEASE do not reply to this thread. Let it die. There is no point to make.
We ALL know the story here and what hapenned and WHEN. Had Grumpy been staying current, he would have noted that the level of customer service that the Stiff1 got was consistent, as it has been from Kleeman. This thread should NEVER have been started and I lay the owness on Stiff1 to get on here and stop the charades. This forum is not here so we can pressure vendors into things. The last thing we need is somebody airing their own laundry simply because they jumped the gun.
Had it been worded differently, yes it would have made a good post. But, as it is, it was an attempted pressurizing that Kleeman does not need to cave into. They not only will not lose a customer over this, I would bet that they will actually GAIN a few. If EVOSPORT was not so close to me, I would be on the K2-4 wagon now. I'm not even a customer and I am defending them.
Keep the discussions objective and the "court of public opinion" will prevail. Turn it personal and you only see yourself.
We ALL know the story here and what hapenned and WHEN. Had Grumpy been staying current, he would have noted that the level of customer service that the Stiff1 got was consistent, as it has been from Kleeman. This thread should NEVER have been started and I lay the owness on Stiff1 to get on here and stop the charades. This forum is not here so we can pressure vendors into things. The last thing we need is somebody airing their own laundry simply because they jumped the gun.
Had it been worded differently, yes it would have made a good post. But, as it is, it was an attempted pressurizing that Kleeman does not need to cave into. They not only will not lose a customer over this, I would bet that they will actually GAIN a few. If EVOSPORT was not so close to me, I would be on the K2-4 wagon now. I'm not even a customer and I am defending them.
Keep the discussions objective and the "court of public opinion" will prevail. Turn it personal and you only see yourself.
Loren
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Just to try and have everything cleared up here. Brandon has jumped through many hoops for my car. He flew out to me along with all of his equipment to work on the car. He has loaded 9-10 different programs into the ECU with no changes to power. After talking with Brandon yesterday, I will have the car to his facility the first week in August. This will give him time to go through the car a little better then when he was here, and try to solve the low power issues. I know that he may have it for 1 week or 1 month, but at least I know that he is not going to let the car come back to me not making more power. We both will keep everyone updated on this issue.
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Originally Posted by Stiff1
Just to try and have everything cleared up here. Brandon has jumped through many hoops for my car. He flew out to me along with all of his equipment to work on the car. He has loaded 9-10 different programs into the ECU with no changes to power. After talking with Brandon yesterday, I will have the car to his facility the first week in August. This will give him time to go through the car a little better then when he was here, and try to solve the low power issues. I know that he may have it for 1 week or 1 month, but at least I know that he is not going to let the car come back to me not making more power. We both will keep everyone updated on this issue.
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Make sure you check your cam timing. If one of the cams was a tooth off of TDC when installed it could cause a power loss that wouldn't show anything irregular when scanning through the ECU.
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Originally Posted by MarkoCL55
Make sure you check your cam timing. If one of the cams was a tooth off of TDC when installed it could cause a power loss that wouldn't show anything irregular when scanning through the ECU.
I agree. Have seen this many times in F-bodies. There is no irratic behavior except low power.
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Originally Posted by Loren
so, its been a while... what ever happened to your car?
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Originally Posted by PARALYZER
I agree. Have seen this many times in F-bodies. There is no irratic behavior except low power.
1. Crazy shaking at idle (like a nascar)
2. Check engine light will come on
I know this from personal experience. Park Place Mercedes in Dallas installed my Kleemann performance cams to top off my '04 E55 with Kleemann's K4 package. They misaligned by one (1) tooth and the list above is what happened. Ironically it took an entire day before the two symptoms above became evident. It drove home fine, but the next morning when I fired it up it went nuts.
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Originally Posted by can drive 55
Darren, how did the car run after they fixed the cams? Have you modded the CL yet?
I have not modded the CL yet. My wife says I'm grounded for a while in the modding department
I haven't been on here for some time now and after reading all the threads it makes me want to either buy a faster car or mod the CL. I could really get in trouble if I hang out in here much longer, lol.
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Darren, after reading all of the comments on modding and the recall flash dilemma, I think a person would be better off going with a 65 or 600 series and getting an ECU upgrade from RENNtech than doing serious modding that alters the exhaust system. I am currently a bit apprehensive to mod my car, but I am having difficulties resisting. Problems, problems.
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Originally Posted by darren_dallas
On these E55's you will notice when the CAM timing is off by the following:
1. Crazy shaking at idle (like a nascar)
2. Check engine light will come on
I know this from personal experience. Park Place Mercedes in Dallas installed my Kleemann performance cams to top off my '04 E55 with Kleemann's K4 package. They misaligned by one (1) tooth and the list above is what happened. Ironically it took an entire day before the two symptoms above became evident. It drove home fine, but the next morning when I fired it up it went nuts.
1. Crazy shaking at idle (like a nascar)
2. Check engine light will come on
I know this from personal experience. Park Place Mercedes in Dallas installed my Kleemann performance cams to top off my '04 E55 with Kleemann's K4 package. They misaligned by one (1) tooth and the list above is what happened. Ironically it took an entire day before the two symptoms above became evident. It drove home fine, but the next morning when I fired it up it went nuts.
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The car has been at Kleemann since August 2nd, and it still has a couple of weeks to go until it's done. Brandon tested the car as it sat when it got there and it made 568hp according to his dyno. That puts it within roughly 5hp of what I was making when it left. He is working on a few different options for the car right now, but has not finished them up yet. I know that he has stripped off the K4 package and returned the car back to stock, but I have not heard what the numbers are as of yet. I'm not sure if he has begun putting the K4 back on yet. Hopefully in a few weeks I'll be able to give you guys a full report on what was changed on the car, and maybe some new track times.
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Well the car has been at Kleemann since 8/2/06. They have stripped the car down, and built it back up to the K4 level. They determined that there was a load limiter set in the EGS and they had to get a new one. We have been wait for the last 3 weeks for it to come in, and it should be here next week. Once they put that in, it will get put back on the dyno and hopefully make more power. I am hoping to have it back in about two weeks from now. I'll have it redynoed and try to get out to the track.
Once everything is set on the car, I'm sure Brandon will be able to give everyone a much better explanation of what had to get changed. Kleemann has been doing a good job, and they are really trying to stand behind their product.
I'll post all of the updated info once I get some new numbers, or get the car back.
Once everything is set on the car, I'm sure Brandon will be able to give everyone a much better explanation of what had to get changed. Kleemann has been doing a good job, and they are really trying to stand behind their product.
I'll post all of the updated info once I get some new numbers, or get the car back.
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If I understand this correctly they found a load limiter in the transmission itself??? Can you find out how one discovers if this is in place on our cars? It would be interesting to check this out on all of the E55s that have been plagued with lower dyno #s post-recall.
I've checked my ECU and I have no load-limit codes in the ECU, but I am not sure about the tranny.... Interesting..
If you could get some more details about this, I am sure everyone would be grateful.
Good luck on your car!
I've checked my ECU and I have no load-limit codes in the ECU, but I am not sure about the tranny.... Interesting..
If you could get some more details about this, I am sure everyone would be grateful.
Good luck on your car!
Well the car has been at Kleemann since 8/2/06. They have stripped the car down, and built it back up to the K4 level. They determined that there was a load limiter set in the EGS and they had to get a new one. We have been wait for the last 3 weeks for it to come in, and it should be here next week. Once they put that in, it will get put back on the dyno and hopefully make more power. I am hoping to have it back in about two weeks from now. I'll have it redynoed and try to get out to the track.
Once everything is set on the car, I'm sure Brandon will be able to give everyone a much better explanation of what had to get changed. Kleemann has been doing a good job, and they are really trying to stand behind their product.
I'll post all of the updated info once I get some new numbers, or get the car back.
Once everything is set on the car, I'm sure Brandon will be able to give everyone a much better explanation of what had to get changed. Kleemann has been doing a good job, and they are really trying to stand behind their product.
I'll post all of the updated info once I get some new numbers, or get the car back.
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If I understand this correctly they found a load limiter in the transmission itself??? Can you find out how one discovers if this is in place on our cars? It would be interesting to check this out on all of the E55s that have been plagued with lower dyno #s post-recall.
I've checked my ECU and I have no load-limit codes in the ECU, but I am not sure about the tranny.... Interesting..
If you could get some more details about this, I am sure everyone would be grateful.
Good luck on your car!
I've checked my ECU and I have no load-limit codes in the ECU, but I am not sure about the tranny.... Interesting..
If you could get some more details about this, I am sure everyone would be grateful.
Good luck on your car!
The newer 55ks have this loaded from the get go correct?
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being a late 05, is mine regarded as a "newer" e55?
im keen to hear about this load limited tranny as i will eventually want to K-up my car! and being in countries that dont have official Kleemann dealerships as such, if i had a problem like stiff1's, id be pretty stuck and out of pocket!!
But on the tranny limit, the only reason would be to prevent modding, not because the tranny cant handle it, right?
im keen to hear about this load limited tranny as i will eventually want to K-up my car! and being in countries that dont have official Kleemann dealerships as such, if i had a problem like stiff1's, id be pretty stuck and out of pocket!!
But on the tranny limit, the only reason would be to prevent modding, not because the tranny cant handle it, right?
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Not yet. My car is still at Kleemann with a stand alone computer on it, and it only picked up a little HP. Now they are running into a few other issues. It is going on 12 weeks and I don't have have any final answers on what is going on. I have been in constant contact with Brandon, but the problem is not solved yet.
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Not yet. My car is still at Kleemann with a stand alone computer on it, and it only picked up a little HP. Now they are running into a few other issues. It is going on 12 weeks and I don't have have any final answers on what is going on. I have been in constant contact with Brandon, but the problem is not solved yet.
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Man, I would be flipping out. Why don't you just try to make a deal with Kleemann to get your car back to stock and be done with it. It's jut not worth it. If they've already had it for 12 weeks and haven't been able to figure it out, I'm not sure what keeping it any longer will do.
