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Old 07-16-2006, 06:50 AM
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Just wondering....Stock for Stock whats the fastest amg in the 55`s?...E,C,SL,CL,CLS,CLK, OR SLK????REALLLLLLLY CURIOUS TO KNOW....SO POST WHAT YOU KNOW
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Originally Posted by PerisanGodFatha
Just wondering....Stock for Stock whats the fastest amg in the 55`s?...E,C,SL,CL,CLS,CLK, OR SLK????REALLLLLLLY CURIOUS TO KNOW....SO POST WHAT YOU KNOW
Rule out the non-Kompressors - C,CLK,SLK

The rest have the same engine, so its weight and gearing (if we are talking 1/4mile, not top speed). So my guess is the E.
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Rule out the non-Kompressors - C,CLK,SLK

The rest have the same engine, so its weight and gearing (if we are talking 1/4mile, not top speed). So my guess is the E.
No Way!
The CLS would be the fastest, because its the lightest.
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No Way!
The CLS would be the fastest, because its the lightest.
Can you provide evidence...In the form of actual times.
Well I will take the opposite view and say that the E is faster.

Here is my evidence.
January 2006 edition of Car & Driver
CLS 55 is tested vs. M5 and a Cadilac STS-V
CLS 0-60mph time is 4.2 sec.
CLS 0-100mph time is 9.8 sec.
CLS 1/4 mile is 12.6@ 114pmh

Motor Trend 2004/2005 New Car Buyer's Guide
2003 E55 is tested against 2003 Audi RS 6
E55 0-60 mph time is 4.2 sec.
E55 0-100mph time is 9.7 sec.
E55 1/4 m
E55 1/4 mile time is 12.39@ 116mph

Of course there are a lot for variables in magazine tests, so how about real expereinces at the track.

www.dragtimes.com

The E55 is more aeordynamic than the CLS. Looks can be deceiving.
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The cars are equal, i mean really.
These cars don't come with the EXACT same amount of HP.
It really just depends on how your particular 55k runs.
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Originally Posted by MBalistix
No Way!
The CLS would be the fastest, because its the lightest.
LOL, CLS owners are so cute. Hehe. BRING IT!!

I think Siswati has to be the ONLY CLS55 guy who has his head on straight.
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Some E's will beat some CLS's and some CLS's will beat some E's....it's that close...GET REAL.
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Originally Posted by CLS_AMG
Some E's will beat some CLS's and some CLS's will beat some E's....it's that close...GET REAL.
Where is the evidence? Please show me numbers. I am not saying you are wrong. I just haven't seen it in print. Where can I find this evidence.
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Generally speaking the E is faster. I have never seen a stock CLS clock under a 12.4 and I have seen many stock E's do it.

Sure a strong CLS can beat a dog E, but more times then not the E will triumph.
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When was the last time ANYONE saw a CLS getting on it, much less attending any races.
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Originally Posted by CLS_AMG
Some E's will beat some CLS's and some CLS's will beat some E's....it's that close...GET REAL.
As long as my E isn't one of them I am all good with it. Lucky for me only the slow CLSs were sent to San Diego.
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Some E's will beat some CLS's and some CLS's will beat some E's....it's that close...GET REAL.
BRING IT ON... Im up for a few runs...
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When was the last time ANYONE saw a CLS getting on it, much less attending any races.
Good point. The only time I ever see them is when they are parked in VIP at a night club or a nice restaurant between Ferraris and Bentleys. Sadly enough they usually aren't even CLS55s , but CLS500's. I can understand parking a $200K car in VIP, but why do these guys think it is ok to park their $65K cars in VIP.
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Good point. The only time I ever see them is when they are parked in VIP at a night club or a nice restaurant between Ferraris and Bentleys. Sadly enough they usually aren't even CLS55s , but CLS500's. I can understand parking a $200K car in VIP, but why do these guys think it is ok to park their $65K cars in VIP.
Perhaps they are a first time benz owner?
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Originally Posted by jangy
When was the last time ANYONE saw a CLS getting on it, much less attending any races.
i bring my cls55 to the track in san antonio all the time.
I have only been able to turn a 12.8 at the track but........it's really really hot and humid down here now (100 degrees and 97% humidity) so I'll be interested to see what my car does in the winter when its 60 and 50% humidity.
Its kinda weird to bring a 100k car to the track cause everyone is looking like " WTF is he doing here" Last week a buddy brought His E60 M5 with me to the track and we ran togather. I easily beat his ET's everytime down the track.
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Originally Posted by moldowan
i bring my cls55 to the track in san antonio all the time.
I have only been able to turn a 12.8 at the track but........it's really really hot and humid down here now (100 degrees and 97% humidity) so I'll be interested to see what my car does in the winter when its 60 and 50% humidity.
Its kinda weird to bring a 100k car to the track cause everyone is looking like " WTF is he doing here" Last week a buddy brought His E60 M5 with me to the track and we ran togather. I easily beat his ET's everytime down the track.
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E55's tend to very fast in a straight line, compared to the rest of the AMG lineup, but the CLS has a better looking front end.

In a line, according to Dragtimes. com, the E55's are the fastest. However, if handling became a factor in the race, then the SL55 will be the fastest.
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Originally Posted by HLG600
E55's tend to very fast in a straight line, compared to the rest of the AMG lineup, but the CLS has a better looking front end.

In a line, according to Dragtimes. com, the E55's are the fastest. However, if handling became a factor in the race, then the SL55 will be the fastest.
SL?? Nope. Tried that at the AMG challenge. I love the SL more thna the E, so don't get me wrong, but they do not (and are not even supposed to) handle as well. I was at least 10mph slower on the open loop, and even the CLK55 Cabriolet felt more nimble on the tight track. The CLS55 was VERY nice.

In all honesty, here is how it went:

Best sound: SL55, hands down.
Best handling: SLK55 (on autocross track)
Best MB feel: SL65
Most solid: E55 (even at 150mph)
Sleekest: CLS55

Since I have been bashing, i should be honest. The E55s and the CLS55s felt very similar to me. The CLS just had a snugger cabin. I only had a chance to drive the CLS55 030 package once and it was definitely different, but it had the package.
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After having driven the CLS and the E55 I think they are very close to the same performance, BUT my theory as to why the CLS does not produce the numbers in the quarter compared to the E55 relates to:
1)Drag coefficient at high speed
2)Stiffer rear "springs" don't allow for as good weight transfer
3)There are very few CLS55 at the track compared to the number of E55s that have been running.
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Originally Posted by jangy
SL?? Nope. Tried that at the AMG challenge. I love the SL more thna the E, so don't get me wrong, but they do not (and are not even supposed to) handle as well. I was at least 10mph slower on the open loop, and even the CLK55 Cabriolet felt more nimble on the tight track. The CLS55 was VERY nice.

In all honesty, here is how it went:

Best sound: SL55, hands down.
Best handling: SLK55 (on autocross track)
Best MB feel: SL65
Most solid: E55 (even at 150mph)
Sleekest: CLS55

Since I have been bashing, i should be honest. The E55s and the CLS55s felt very similar to me. The CLS just had a snugger cabin. I only had a chance to drive the CLS55 030 package once and it was definitely different, but it had the package.
I agree with all your choices, especially that the SLK55 is the best handling of the pack. I was so impressed that I am number 1 on the list for a SLK63 when it is made.
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Originally Posted by jangy
SL?? Nope. Tried that at the AMG challenge. I love the SL more thna the E, so don't get me wrong, but they do not (and are not even supposed to) handle as well. I was at least 10mph slower on the open loop, and even the CLK55 Cabriolet felt more nimble on the tight track.
Was that a 2007 SL? MB lists it as a bit faster than the E (4.4 seconds vs. 4.5), which makes sense because it has 40 HP on the E. That should be enough to make up for the 300 lbs. Just talking about straightaway speed, not handling. I'd also imagine 030 improves the handling quite a bit.

Of course to be fair you have to compare an '07 E63-030. That ought to be fun, even though it doesn't include suspension changes like the SL55-030.
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Was that a 2007 SL? MB lists it as a bit faster than the E (4.4 seconds vs. 4.5), which makes sense because it has 40 HP on the E. That should be enough to make up for the 300 lbs. Just talking about straightaway speed, not handling. I'd also imagine 030 improves the handling quite a bit.

Of course to be fair you have to compare an '07 E63-030. That ought to be fun, even though it doesn't include suspension changes like the SL55-030.
Nah, it was an '06. I actually liked the drive of the SL65 better (handling wise as well). Also, I know it was NOT an 030. The only 030 they had that day for us to play in was the CLS.
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Originally Posted by Vetluver
After having driven the CLS and the E55 I think they are very close to the same performance, BUT my theory as to why the CLS does not produce the numbers in the quarter compared to the E55 relates to:
1)Drag coefficient at high speed
2)Stiffer rear "springs" don't allow for as good weight transfer
3)There are very few CLS55 at the track compared to the number of E55s that have been running.
And 19" rims.
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Originally Posted by HLG600
2DR Coupe/Roadster a worse handler than a 4DR sedan?
I'm telling you, it is not even close. Ask anyone that has driven both.

Just noticed you have an SL600, so let's just let it go. Yours is faster, or whatever.

Hmmm, wider stance and less weight. Now, how the heck do I think my car handles better?

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