I feel a dyno coming on
09-12-2006, 06:21 PM
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09-12-2006, 07:13 PM
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E63,,,not any more,,,BMW X5 50i
E63 dyno results by AMG
This is my first post, so if miss a few things, sorry. I went to the AMG site
www.mercedes-amg.com and followed the road maps to the e63, and the dyno results are wat different from the one that is posted here. I don't know who is right or wrong, but when you have 2 different resilts, something is not right. The dyno at AMG shows a steep power, and the torque being level at around 5000 rpm. Anyway, you can be the judge for yourselves.
Me, I still like the overall looks and performance of the E63!
www.mercedes-amg.com and followed the road maps to the e63, and the dyno results are wat different from the one that is posted here. I don't know who is right or wrong, but when you have 2 different resilts, something is not right. The dyno at AMG shows a steep power, and the torque being level at around 5000 rpm. Anyway, you can be the judge for yourselves.
Me, I still like the overall looks and performance of the E63!
dissapointed......what does the E63 M6 dyno at ? JW
09-12-2006, 10:26 PM
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I smell a AMG break in period limitation on the ECU
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maybe the installed the new C63 engine in your car and forgot to add the software for the E63?
I think it will improve, but you are missing 40RWHP.
or
maybe the installed the new C63 engine in your car and forgot to add the software for the E63?
I think it will improve, but you are missing 40RWHP.
09-12-2006, 10:40 PM
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Just a thought. MB probably delivers the 63 detuned until the break in period is over. I believe it is 2000 miles for the 63. Remember, the break in period is not for the motor it's for the tranny and diff. So the guys who "drive it like they stole" it when new (to break in a motor that is already broken in) are only putting addtl stress on the tranny and diff. If you think about it, this new 7 spd tranny is probably pretty tight in the first place. If that is true it will soak up a greater % of hp & tq as the hp & tq increase. I would bet that once the tranny has over 5000 miles on it will free up the hp.
How many 55 owners dynoed their car with less than 2000 miles on it?
How many 55 owners dynoed their car with less than 2000 miles on it?
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09-12-2006, 11:03 PM
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09-13-2006, 12:53 AM
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I doubt there is a magic mileage number where the ecu free's up and lets the hp increase.When a person goes down to the dealship and test drives a 90k+ car,the last thing they are wanting to hear from a salesman is a pitch of,"Well it does get faster the more your drive it" That alone would make me shop elsewhere.I've been wrong before but I cant see MB/AMG doing this at all.I can see them building a motor/tranny package that is less tuner friendly and make more everday drivable power for the everday driver,thus taking off the SC and adding cubes to the motor to make up the difference.For the excelleration minded buyers I do think this idea back fired somewhat on MB's behalf.Only my opinion of course.
09-13-2006, 01:47 AM
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Here is my take:
Judging by rpms it is a 3rd gear.
It was a warm day, so SAE numbers are probably 4-5% lower, so we are talking 365 SAE RWHP.
Max RWTQ is around 360 SAE lb.ft.
Under the same conditions, 55s put down 420 SAE RWHP/470RWTQ.
Fuel looks good. Just about perfect.
Curve looks smooth. I do not see any evidence of retarded timing.
63s have twin 70 mm throttle bodies inside intake manifold. Keeping one closed would be a perfect way to limit engine output. Think NASCAR restrictor plates.
Without a scanner it would be hard to determine whether both are open at WOT or one is closed. If there is a load limititation during some XXXX miles for break in, my guess is - this is how AMG is doing it.
Judging by rpms it is a 3rd gear.
It was a warm day, so SAE numbers are probably 4-5% lower, so we are talking 365 SAE RWHP.
Max RWTQ is around 360 SAE lb.ft.
Under the same conditions, 55s put down 420 SAE RWHP/470RWTQ.
Fuel looks good. Just about perfect.
Curve looks smooth. I do not see any evidence of retarded timing.
63s have twin 70 mm throttle bodies inside intake manifold. Keeping one closed would be a perfect way to limit engine output. Think NASCAR restrictor plates.
Without a scanner it would be hard to determine whether both are open at WOT or one is closed. If there is a load limititation during some XXXX miles for break in, my guess is - this is how AMG is doing it.
09-13-2006, 03:40 AM
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Here is my take:
Judging by rpms it is a 3rd gear.
It was a warm day, so SAE numbers are probably 4-5% lower, so we are talking 365 SAE RWHP.
Max RWTQ is around 360 SAE lb.ft.
Under the same conditions, 55s put down 420 SAE RWHP/470RWTQ.
Fuel looks good. Just about perfect.
Curve looks smooth. I do not see any evidence of retarded timing.
63s have twin 70 mm throttle bodies inside intake manifold. Keeping one closed would be a perfect way to limit engine output. Think NASCAR restrictor plates.
Without a scanner it would be hard to determine whether both are open at WOT or one is closed. If there is a load limititation during some XXXX miles for break in, my guess is - this is how AMG is doing it.
Judging by rpms it is a 3rd gear.
It was a warm day, so SAE numbers are probably 4-5% lower, so we are talking 365 SAE RWHP.
Max RWTQ is around 360 SAE lb.ft.
Under the same conditions, 55s put down 420 SAE RWHP/470RWTQ.
Fuel looks good. Just about perfect.
Curve looks smooth. I do not see any evidence of retarded timing.
63s have twin 70 mm throttle bodies inside intake manifold. Keeping one closed would be a perfect way to limit engine output. Think NASCAR restrictor plates.
Without a scanner it would be hard to determine whether both are open at WOT or one is closed. If there is a load limititation during some XXXX miles for break in, my guess is - this is how AMG is doing it.
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09-13-2006, 07:06 AM
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While this is by no means difinitive, my NOS guy who was with me just finished his E63 training and didn't know anything about any type of limiter during break-in.
09-13-2006, 08:59 AM
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we can get a torque estimate if we knew what RPM's the E63 is at a couple MPH points, 55MPH, 75MPH, 95MPH.......
SAE power is probably about 370 or so..... seems pretty low..... this car could be a bad example, we'll see sooon enough....
the lack of power and trap speed certainly line up pretty well though.....
thanks for the testing Derek....
SAE power is probably about 370 or so..... seems pretty low..... this car could be a bad example, we'll see sooon enough....
the lack of power and trap speed certainly line up pretty well though.....
thanks for the testing Derek....
09-13-2006, 10:35 AM
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My tech did not recall anything special about break-in. I might have a chance to look at the training manual today, to see if I can find something with regard to it.
