E55 vs E63 - MBUSA Comments
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2011 Porsche Carrera GTS, 2009 BMW 750Li, 2011 Ferrari 458, 2011 SLS AMG, 2012 C63 AMG BS
Emailed AMG product manager about my concerns over E63 performance as I have an E63 wagon ordered to replace 03 E55 coming off lease.
Looks like MBUSA will post some comparisons on the AMG private lounge site.
Here are excerpts from MBUSA response
"Like you, we were also interested in head-to-head comparisons of the cars,
both under acceleration, as well as on the track where other performance
characteristics (braking, handling, lateral acceleration) could be
compared.
Basically, the E63 AMG is a much smoother and more linear performer,. For
acceleration, this means that the 0-60 mph times are more consistent and
easily achieved, whereas with the E55 AMG Kompressor, the torque being
available at a much lower engine speed, frequently causing wheelspin (and
ESP / ASR actuation) under hard acceleration. Our tests yielded more
consistent results for the E63 AMG, although in some cases the E55 AMG
delivered a lower elapsed time at the dragstrip.
On the road course racing track we used, the advantage of the E63 AMG was
much greater. On the same day under identical conditions, out pro driver
lapped the 1.48 mile track at 3-4 seconds quicker in the E63 AMG
consistently. This can be attributed to the superior compound brakes,
revised suspension, 7 speed AMG Speedshift automatic with shift paddles as
well as the lower weight of the engine (-47 lb) over the front axle.
Further, our drivers found the E63 AMG much smoother, more progressive and
easier to drive fast.
We plan to show information and other cool stuff from our testing on
Mercedes-amg.com/privatelounge very soon so that you can see the E63 AMG
results for yourself."
Put my E63 order on hold pending release of comparison data.
Looks like MBUSA will post some comparisons on the AMG private lounge site.
Here are excerpts from MBUSA response
"Like you, we were also interested in head-to-head comparisons of the cars,
both under acceleration, as well as on the track where other performance
characteristics (braking, handling, lateral acceleration) could be
compared.
Basically, the E63 AMG is a much smoother and more linear performer,. For
acceleration, this means that the 0-60 mph times are more consistent and
easily achieved, whereas with the E55 AMG Kompressor, the torque being
available at a much lower engine speed, frequently causing wheelspin (and
ESP / ASR actuation) under hard acceleration. Our tests yielded more
consistent results for the E63 AMG, although in some cases the E55 AMG
delivered a lower elapsed time at the dragstrip.
On the road course racing track we used, the advantage of the E63 AMG was
much greater. On the same day under identical conditions, out pro driver
lapped the 1.48 mile track at 3-4 seconds quicker in the E63 AMG
consistently. This can be attributed to the superior compound brakes,
revised suspension, 7 speed AMG Speedshift automatic with shift paddles as
well as the lower weight of the engine (-47 lb) over the front axle.
Further, our drivers found the E63 AMG much smoother, more progressive and
easier to drive fast.
We plan to show information and other cool stuff from our testing on
Mercedes-amg.com/privatelounge very soon so that you can see the E63 AMG
results for yourself."
Put my E63 order on hold pending release of comparison data.
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it's pr spin, pure and simple. what they were really implying is that the e55 is faster except when our driver spins the tires or if we run back-to-back and heat soak it (ie; less consistent). either way, what they're now saying is far from ALL the initial press releases about the 63 being faster in every category.
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it's pr spin, pure and simple. what they were really implying is that the e55 is faster except when our driver spins the tires or if we run back-to-back and heat soak it (ie; less consistent). either way, what they're now saying is far from ALL the initial press releases about the 63 being faster in every category.
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but 2 additional gears would do wonders.
in any rate... E55 with K2+ is just the best set up out there.. except for 65TT's with tuning
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No way a Kleemann blower for the 63 is going to be anywhere near 10K, if it ever happens. Their setup for a W210 is 15K with installation. That puts a loaded E63 with K blower in the 110K range. After you pick up the 7G trans you've spread all over the road and someone figures out how to keep it together with that power, you're out even more.
You would pay 15k for that kinda out put. (dollars per hp)
E63 just needs torque and down low. It has the gears and the top end.
So figure is somebody designs a unit to give you 70hp and 60lbs more where you really need them. Of course price per HP will decrease since and they won't be able to fetch 15k for that set up.
The price of the actual Supercharger is not that much. Most other companies offer great superchargers from $4 to $6k. However since we are talking about Benz and AMG, we are hit with a 50% mark up on all our products.
example:
pullies
Ecu
headers
kompressors (for NA cars)
throttle bodies
cams
ect.
It is just food for thought and just my personal opinion.
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E55, GLS450, GL63, GLE350
E55 with K2+ is just the best set up out there.. except for 65TT's with tuning
Last edited by BlownV8; Sep 14, 2006 at 02:33 PM.
