E63 Vs M5 video.
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E63 Vs M5 video.
We need a video of E63 Vs M5 to put all the fihgting to rest, i would love to see Gustav style race and from a dig too!
Anyone here can arrange that?
what do you guys think?
Anyone here can arrange that?
what do you guys think?
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'19 E63S, ‘16 CLS63 RIP, '09 E63 Gone, '06 M5 Gone, '97 Supra TT Gone
Anyway, anybody in NJ want to run me? I'm so game for this and I know just the place to do it.
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06 E60 M5
I've sent you a PM. Its a shame your parents have not taught you good manners.
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'19 E63S, ‘16 CLS63 RIP, '09 E63 Gone, '06 M5 Gone, '97 Supra TT Gone
Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
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Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
As for mods Dunno about headers they are kinda pricy, but i do want SS race exhaust and either Hammann or AA ECu.
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'19 E63S, ‘16 CLS63 RIP, '09 E63 Gone, '06 M5 Gone, '97 Supra TT Gone
I know the price of the headers is prohibitive, I mean the stock ones are a work of art and if/when I remove them I'll probably have them mounted, but the performance gains are outright astonishing. With a catback and an ECU you'll be out-running bullet trains.
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Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
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Gents...
The E63 vs M5 is really not very intersting.
The M5 is going to outgun the E63 after 120.
Under 120, very even I would think.
As far as modding....
The aftermarket support for the M5 is all Top End Hp and a bit more torque, but still at a high RPMS.. great for racing, tracks and to reach 200MPH faster.
The aftermarket support (very little at this point) for the E63 will create Hp and torque at much lower RPM levels than say an M5.
Renntech is already claiming 515lbs of torque out of the E63 engine and 550hp . For daily use this would be more suitable.
For the track and autobahn, the M5 modding is king.
The E63 vs M5 is really not very intersting.
The M5 is going to outgun the E63 after 120.
Under 120, very even I would think.
As far as modding....
The aftermarket support for the M5 is all Top End Hp and a bit more torque, but still at a high RPMS.. great for racing, tracks and to reach 200MPH faster.
The aftermarket support (very little at this point) for the E63 will create Hp and torque at much lower RPM levels than say an M5.
Renntech is already claiming 515lbs of torque out of the E63 engine and 550hp . For daily use this would be more suitable.
For the track and autobahn, the M5 modding is king.
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Alas, her Achilles heel, absolutely torqueless. But one thing I tend to keep in mind is that the car only suffers this ailment in 1st gear, which is not a gear I tend to spend a lot of time in. You can ALWAYS find the powerband after leaving 1st gear.
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CLS63
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $100,805 (base price: $95,575)
Engine type: DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 379 cu in, 6208cc
Power (SAE net): 507 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 465 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm
Transmission: 7-speed automatic with manumatic shifting
Wheelbase: 112.4 in
Length/width/height: 194.0/73.7/54.7 in
Curb weight: 4366 lb
Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.5 sec
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...cls63-amg.html
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M5
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...ighlight=0-150
somehow Car and driver's report does not show the 0-150 times anymore.
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Please notice the 0-150 times for both cars by the same Magizine.
The trap is 4 miles higher for the 1/4 and by the time they reach 150, it would be over for the E63.
By 100 it would be close, by 120 the lead would be gone.
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sorry I had to break up all my different points and arguments.
tks,
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Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Generally E55's have about 500 hp at the crank and it takes a ton of work on a blown engine just to get to 600hp. Trust me I have done the work
I am not doubting you but if there is such a thing and it was that easy I would be dumping my E55 right now and getting an M6. Please tell me that you misquoted because I just got a CL65 and dont want to spend 100k on an M6
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Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU
Voila- 640 horsepower.
I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.
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Auto Bild Magazine tested the 2 cars along with and Audi S6 and came up with these results
......................Audi S6.....BMW M5...MB E63
0 – 100 km/h.......5.4 s.......4.7 s........4.5 s
0 – 130 km/h.......8.2 s.......6.9 s........6.9 s
0 – 160 km/h.......11.6s.......9.4 s........9.7 s
0 - 200 km/h.......18.0s.......13.5s.......15.0s
Quarter Mile
0 – 402.34m.......13.52s......13.14s......12.7s
......................Audi S6.....BMW M5...MB E63
0 – 100 km/h.......5.4 s.......4.7 s........4.5 s
0 – 130 km/h.......8.2 s.......6.9 s........6.9 s
0 – 160 km/h.......11.6s.......9.4 s........9.7 s
0 - 200 km/h.......18.0s.......13.5s.......15.0s
Quarter Mile
0 – 402.34m.......13.52s......13.14s......12.7s
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I dont know too much about M5's but you are saying that with just what you mentioned above you will get 140 more hp at the crank on a normally aspirated engine?
Generally E55's have about 500 hp at the crank and it takes a ton of work on a blown engine just to get to 600hp. Trust me I have done the work
I am not doubting you but if there is such a thing and it was that easy I would be dumping my E55 right now and getting an M6. Please tell me that you misquoted because I just got a CL65 and dont want to spend 100k on an M6
Generally E55's have about 500 hp at the crank and it takes a ton of work on a blown engine just to get to 600hp. Trust me I have done the work
I am not doubting you but if there is such a thing and it was that easy I would be dumping my E55 right now and getting an M6. Please tell me that you misquoted because I just got a CL65 and dont want to spend 100k on an M6
Over at M6 board somone did the Supersprint Headers & Cats and Active Autowerke's ECU upgrade. Baseline dyno (on Dynojet) was 422.68 HP and 314.17 Ft/lbs Torque, after the mods the new dyno is 459.67 and 335.59 Ft/lbs Torque. So the realistic gain is about 37hp to the wheel and 21ft/lbs more torque. That's roughly 550HP/410LB at the CRANK. And the cost will run you $12k PLUS. As you hinted, I don't think there's anyway M5/M6 can be more bang for the buck to modify as the F/I E55 motros!
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The only comment I found was K&N dyno'ed three M5s that all had the charcoal filters intact when they worked on the original intake/filter design, and the other car w/out charcoal filters dyno'ed nearly identical; hence my previous comment said "if it really adds something, it would be 7HP at the crank is my guess", but of course I could be wrong and would love to see a side by side dyno if it's available.
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I did look but didn't see it, but I might have missed it. Do you have a link? If 14WHP can be extracted from this then I'm removing mine now :P
The only comment I found was K&N dyno'ed three M5s that all had the charcoal filters intact when they worked on the original intake/filter design, and the other car w/out charcoal filters dyno'ed nearly identical; hence my previous comment said "if it really adds something, it would be 7HP at the crank is my guess", but of course I could be wrong and would love to see a side by side dyno if it's available.
The only comment I found was K&N dyno'ed three M5s that all had the charcoal filters intact when they worked on the original intake/filter design, and the other car w/out charcoal filters dyno'ed nearly identical; hence my previous comment said "if it really adds something, it would be 7HP at the crank is my guess", but of course I could be wrong and would love to see a side by side dyno if it's available.
... i'm studing for midterms and im prety sure i saw it. Btw, nice ride what color is your m5 ?
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I should update my sig. My bro has a 06 E55 (designo graphie), also an amazing car.. and we get to switch keys. One of the perks living together. heheh
