BoBcanada

We need a video of E63 Vs M5 to put all the fihgting to rest, i would love to see Gustav style race and from a dig too!

Anyone here can arrange that?

what do you guys think?

7 speed SMG

I would definately like to see that... My father is about to buy an E/CLS63 and i need to know i i will be able to smoke him or get smoked....

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

This guy again. Hey kid, do you really have an M5 or is it daddy's, because from your statements in Derek's thread, it looks like the closest you've gotten to the controls of an E60 is in GT4.

Anyway, anybody in NJ want to run me? I'm so game for this and I know just the place to do it.

7 speed SMG

I've sent you a PM. Its a shame your parents have not taught you good manners.

BoBcanada

ok i'll tell you the truth guys I decided to go with 07 M5 and just wanna know if E63 is faster or not

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Bob, here's a formula that will have you beating up on 63's and 55's alike.

Take 1 part E60 M5
Add 1 set, SuperSprint headers
Add 1 set, SuperSprint catbacks
Add 1 Hamann ECU

Voila- 640 horsepower.

I just realized we're the same age. Do it to it man, you're gonna love this car, ultimate stealth capabilities and the dynamic seats are the shiznite. Just remember to get the red interior, do not pass go, get the red interior.

BoBcanada

Yea i drove one and i really loved SMG and handling of M5!

As for mods Dunno about headers they are kinda pricy, but i do want SS race exhaust and either Hammann or AA ECu.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

I know the price of the headers is prohibitive, I mean the stock ones are a work of art and if/when I remove them I'll probably have them mounted, but the performance gains are outright astonishing. With a catback and an ECU you'll be out-running bullet trains.

Did this just turn into M5Board?

DRIVEN1

Do those mods really return that much HP? I just test drove the E63 last week. I am on the fence between the E63 and the M5. By the way I love the Supra. You got any good pictures of your M5. The BMW website could have some better pictures.

TopGun32

Gents...

The E63 vs M5 is really not very intersting.

The M5 is going to outgun the E63 after 120.

Under 120, very even I would think.

As far as modding....

The aftermarket support for the M5 is all Top End Hp and a bit more torque, but still at a high RPMS.. great for racing, tracks and to reach 200MPH faster.

The aftermarket support (very little at this point) for the E63 will create Hp and torque at much lower RPM levels than say an M5.

Renntech is already claiming 515lbs of torque out of the E63 engine and 550hp . For daily use this would be more suitable.

For the track and autobahn, the M5 modding is king.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

Alas, her Achilles heel, absolutely torqueless. But one thing I tend to keep in mind is that the car only suffers this ailment in 1st gear, which is not a gear I tend to spend a lot of time in. You can ALWAYS find the powerband after leaving 1st gear.

2MANYCARS

Cyl. Head,
Got any tips for me when the time comes modding my 07 M6? This does turn into the m5/m6 board, hahahaha.

JamE55

Pls provide proof of this M5 outgunning the E63 after 120. Don't think it will because the E63 has the 7-speed and it
s also made for top speed. It'd be quite an interesting match though.

M&M

[QUOTE=JamE55;1817701] Don't think it will because the E63 has the 7-speed and its also made for top speed.QUOTE]

Actually the 7-speed was made for economy, if you look at the ratios.

BoBcanada

I think m5 gearbox shifts faster too so it is kind of an advantage.

TopGun32

car and driver...
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CLS63

Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $100,805 (base price: $95,575)
Engine type: DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 379 cu in, 6208cc
Power (SAE net): 507 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 465 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm

Transmission: 7-speed automatic with manumatic shifting
Wheelbase: 112.4 in
Length/width/height: 194.0/73.7/54.7 in
Curb weight: 4366 lb

Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.5 sec

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...cls63-amg.html

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M5


http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...ighlight=0-150

somehow Car and driver's report does not show the 0-150 times anymore.

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Please notice the 0-150 times for both cars by the same Magizine.

The trap is 4 miles higher for the 1/4 and by the time they reach 150, it would be over for the E63.

By 100 it would be close, by 120 the lead would be gone.

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sorry I had to break up all my different points and arguments.

tks,

joe

Vic55

I dont know too much about M5's but you are saying that with just what you mentioned above you will get 140 more hp at the crank on a normally aspirated engine?

Generally E55's have about 500 hp at the crank and it takes a ton of work on a blown engine just to get to 600hp. Trust me I have done the work

I am not doubting you but if there is such a thing and it was that easy I would be dumping my E55 right now and getting an M6. Please tell me that you misquoted because I just got a CL65 and dont want to spend 100k on an M6

egxpimp

You forgot removing the charcol air filer- that Euro speccars dont have... 14rwhp/tq or so, right?

E63AMG

Auto Bild Magazine tested the 2 cars along with and Audi S6 and came up with these results

......................Audi S6.....BMW M5...MB E63
0 – 100 km/h.......5.4 s.......4.7 s........4.5 s
0 – 130 km/h.......8.2 s.......6.9 s........6.9 s
0 – 160 km/h.......11.6s.......9.4 s........9.7 s
0 - 200 km/h.......18.0s.......13.5s.......15.0s

Quarter Mile
0 – 402.34m.......13.52s......13.14s......12.7s

W420

Vic, I don't think it's anywhere near 640HP. I haven't check but my guess is this 640HP figure is probably quoted on Supersprint website.

Over at M6 board somone did the Supersprint Headers & Cats and Active Autowerke's ECU upgrade. Baseline dyno (on Dynojet) was 422.68 HP and 314.17 Ft/lbs Torque, after the mods the new dyno is 459.67 and 335.59 Ft/lbs Torque. So the realistic gain is about 37hp to the wheel and 21ft/lbs more torque. That's roughly 550HP/410LB at the CRANK. And the cost will run you $12k PLUS. As you hinted, I don't think there's anyway M5/M6 can be more bang for the buck to modify as the F/I E55 motros!

W420

Euro spec is 507HP, so if removing the charcoal air filter really adds something then in my opinion, the most you will get is 7HP at the *CRANK*.

egxpimp

it's been dynoed, look around m5board...they picked up about 14rwhp/tq without the filter...

W420

I did look but didn't see it, but I might have missed it. Do you have a link? If 14WHP can be extracted from this then I'm removing mine now :P

The only comment I found was K&N dyno'ed three M5s that all had the charcoal filters intact when they worked on the original intake/filter design, and the other car w/out charcoal filters dyno'ed nearly identical; hence my previous comment said "if it really adds something, it would be 7HP at the crank is my guess", but of course I could be wrong and would love to see a side by side dyno if it's available.

egxpimp

I'll find the link later for you ... i'm studing for midterms and im prety sure i saw it. Btw, nice ride what color is your m5 ?

W420

Cool. Thanks!! I'll dig around too and see if I can find a dyno! I have a SilverstoneII with black interior. I should update my sig. My bro has a 06 E55 (designo graphie), also an amazing car.. and we get to switch keys. One of the perks living together. heheh