zangerbenz

mb are for people who are rich.

bmw are for those who think they are rich

jangy

I do remember when we doubted the M% it seems like only yesterday.






WAIT.....It was yesterday!!!

I ate one on Thursday. Blame the driver, US spec bimmers, or whatever. Either way, I ate his ars for dinner and made him bow.

Vic55

You know that saying... "Those in glass houses ..." well you get the picture and I understand what you wrote but before our doubts were the bashers saying the M5 would beat the E55. Remember the beloved M5 is a one year old car and the E55 is what, 4 plus years old but all the M5 speculation was prior to the results on the street which IMO still favor the E55 except over ludicrous speeds (nice Space ***** quote). Anyways I have to commend the M5 now that they have found the loophole, which is speeds over 150 mph (or so). All I know is when I drive my car it looks a better IMO- even though I have seen some nice modded M5'ers.

Both are great cars and I might go towards the Roundel again in the near future with an M6. I had an E46 M3 and an E39 M5 which I liked better than my W210 E55.

NY C32

Smell it??? I can already taste it

Damn you!

BoBcanada

ok lets spice up things here Because the thread is dying!!! Oh Noes!!!


M5 is the Best car and Beats all your moded e55's after 150mph!!! How baout that! Huh!?

Noone saw THAT COMING!

Improviz

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/169500-fun-math-how-relates-gustav-s-e55-m5-videos.html

Vetluver

You can, drive in dyno mode. Very challenging to keep it between the lines.

ADD: Sorry Chiro didn't read your comment. Never mind.....

MiamiAMG

Both cars cost the same & have nearly identical perfromance numbers. If you bought an M5 you could have bought an E55 & vice versa. Some people like AMG others like M, leave it at that & stop trolling.

skratch77

Wow am I the only one who remebers who kain is lol

nice flame bait there bro...I though you wered banned like 20 times on here back in the day

did your father ever get the M5 lol

and impro idon;t think it would of made a huge difference if they started from 20mph or even 15

AA tuning said the car makes like 40 ftlbs less tourqe across the powerband in first gear and they can't figure out how to get the engines full power.

that is why alot of people say the M5 wakes up after first gear

Improviz

Well, you're wrong. The E55 produces its max torque from about 30 km/h to 50 km/h, and drops off rapidly after that, producing 80% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.

The M5 produces its max torque at 52 km/h and drops off much more slowly after that, producing 88% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.

What you believe is irrelevant; the numbers clearly show that between 50 km/h and redline in first gear, the M5 has a marked, clear advantage.

I do agree with you that the M5 comes alive after first gear, which is again because the extremely close ratios of its seven-speed transmission keeps the engine right in the sweet spot in each gear thereafter. Which also gives it an edge to begin the race above 6,000 rpm in first.

enzom

Last time I checked, comparable M cars were no less expensive.

Vadim @ FD

" ........... in the end it all comes down to the nut behind the wheel ............"

This quote belongs to EVERY driving instructor in EVERY high-performance driving school in the world.

skratch77

I wasnt even thinking about the e55,My point was the M5 dosnt have the power you think it does in first gear.BMW set up first gear to detune the car so it wont smoke the tires and have it a little more drivable in slow traffic

it is hard programed in there and tuners are trying to unleash it

and trying to figure out why the euro cars when using L/C will rev to 8400 in 1st,2nd and 3rd but only when the car shifts its self

the US version dosnt shift by itself and has the detuned L/C aswell

so what you believe about your whole sitting around playing with numbers thread is irrelevant because the M5 dosnt make what you think it does in first gear.

call AA tuning and ask them if the car is detuned in first gear and ask them how much power it makes then you can do all the math you want and get back to us

Improviz

Proof of claim?

It is certainly relevant, as the numbers show. If you have any numbers from the manufacturer to indicate that the car's torque peak doesn't occur at this speed in first gear, then you really don't have much of anything...do you?

And launch control doesn't have anything to do with the car's torque peak in a rolling-start race...now does it?

Hmm, throwing rocks at the math seems to be a common theme here...unfortunately, the math is sound, as is the speed-in-gear data.

Do you have any documentation to show that BMW is as you're alleging lying to its customers, and that the car doesn't make max power or max torque in first gear? Or, for that matter, that it makes its peak torque in first gear at 6,100 rpm?

skratch77

Oh so now Im a liar...Call aa tuning and ask for your self...IM not going to waist my time searching for the aa post when they were the first to crack the M5s ecu in the states.

It had to do with the smg tranny and first gear tuning was locked out and detuned from BMW

maybe just maybe BMW did it to make the car more drivable in first gear

and no L/C dosnt have anything to do with a rolling start but DID YOU READ WHERE I TYPED THAT THE EURO LC CARS REV PAST THE US SPEC ONES WHEN USED

jesus you are so uptight about every little thing I say and completely overlook the parts that im trying to stress out

the us cars dont rev to 8400 rpms now do they????

jangy

Is a spade a spade? Is there a market for grey market Bimmers?

Improviz

Oh, no...it is far more plausible that BMW is lying, not a BMW troll like you who is here constantly striving to convince us all of the absolute, total superiority of BMW (in your mind, that is).

Or maybe these guys are full of ****, and are just trying to sell stuff. "Make it more drivable in first gear"...what a load of baloney. It has to be true; you read it on the Internet!

And you didn't answer my question: are you claiming that BMW inaccurately claimed a torque peak of 6,100 rpm for this car?

If not, then you've contributed nothing to this, and are about as far off base as the people up in nosebleed at Yankee Stadium, OK? You haven't proven anything you've said. And your claims are and irrelevant.

Did you type it in English, as opposed to Gibberish like above? And even if, and I mean IF coming from you, this is true, how does this establish your claim of the car putting out lower power in first gear?

Answer: it doesn't.

Because I find you to be a very annoying, little wannabe, a young kid trolling, constantly up in our face practically jerking off about how oh-so-fantastic the stupid M cars are, as if any one of us couldn't have gotten one if we'd wanted one...

I mean, what is your goal here, skratch? To annoy people? Congratulations: you're succeeding. But you're not informative, or interesting, you're frankly a gigantic boor. You remind me of a groupie...in fact, have you ever...aww, never mind.

Again: this, IF true, has absolutely nothing to do with where the torque peak of this car occurs in first gear.

I repeat: if you have anything to show that the torque peak of this car does not occur at 6,100 rpm in first gear, then produce it. Because otherwise, you have produced a whole lot of nuthin', baby, and the data show it.

The vehicle will produce maximum acceleration in first gear at its torque peak, which is 6,100 rpm. Spew as much as you like, but you haven't proven, or disproven, jack.

limitup

Huh? Have you ever driven one? An M5 can smoke the tires in 1st gear until there is no tire left.

jangy

Or is that an E55?

limitup

No doubt an E55 can do it too, but I was referring to the M5 I just recently traded in for an E63.

terrence

Had an E60 M5 for 3 months. Sold it and got a 2006 E55. Got K1 installed. So much quicker its not even comparable. Maybe M5 is great after 130, but I don't care about that. My main interest is 0 to 80 or in-gear acceleration up to 100. Anything else is reserved for the track.

Ahmed

You know what they say?

BMW is the ultimate driving machine!

Whats the point in an ultimate driving machine if it aint got CLASS?

Thats why we have Mercedes Benz!