It is going to get turboed
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It is going to get turboed
........Ok, I am GOING to turbo my W210 E55. If the car disintegrates, so be it. I was advised to use single turbo, but on this forum there is a lot of conversation about twin turbos. Since you can make the same HP with a single turbo, what exactly is the advantage of double turbo's?
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Big singles tend to work better on engines with one cylinder bank, because all of the air is flowing through one manifold into one big turbo. Two cylinder banks on either side of the engine makes plumbing two relatively smaller turbos a bit easier. I'd go for two turbos on a V8 every time. Think about it, if you put a big single to one side of your V8, the piping for the other side is going to be longer than the piping on the near side, causing all kinds of boost issues.
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........Ok, I am GOING to turbo my W210 E55. If the car disintegrates, so be it. I was advised to use single turbo, but on this forum there is a lot of conversation about twin turbos. Since you can make the same HP with a single turbo, what exactly is the advantage of double turbo's?
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Big singles tend to work better on engines with one cylinder bank, because all of the air is flowing through one manifold into one big turbo. Two cylinder banks on either side of the engine makes plumbing two relatively smaller turbos a bit easier. I'd go for two turbos on a V8 every time. Think about it, if you put a big single to one side of your V8, the piping for the other side is going to be longer than the piping on the near side, causing all kinds of boost issues.
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1 turbo=much lag, Twin turbo= barely lags
........Ok, I am GOING to turbo my W210 E55. If the car disintegrates, so be it. I was advised to use single turbo, but on this forum there is a lot of conversation about twin turbos. Since you can make the same HP with a single turbo, what exactly is the advantage of double turbo's?
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twin turbo ... much simpler install and you can locate them more or less where the primary cat canister is. Should have enuf space and could bolt straight onto a shorty header like the evosport or renntech.
The mechanicals will be easy ... the ECU well - you need some guy to tackle that for you ... thats going to be the toughest part.
Whats comperssion on motor ? Might need to fit shorter con rods to get compression more inline depending on what type of boost you going to run... It aint gonna be easy but should be loads of fun seeing that blow by a K4 W211 K4.... ??? Well will it or wont it ?
Good luck!!!
The mechanicals will be easy ... the ECU well - you need some guy to tackle that for you ... thats going to be the toughest part.
Whats comperssion on motor ? Might need to fit shorter con rods to get compression more inline depending on what type of boost you going to run... It aint gonna be easy but should be loads of fun seeing that blow by a K4 W211 K4.... ??? Well will it or wont it ?
Good luck!!!
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Jakpro1 Well, we should finally see what the AMG tranny can handle.
Interesting if you get tranny limp mode the 65 guys get.
Take it to um Ted!!!
Interesting if you get tranny limp mode the 65 guys get.
Take it to um Ted!!!
..........I am told that if this works, getting to the 65 power and torque values will be a worst case scenario. That much higher power and torque numbers are expected. I have learned that the torque limit on the 5speed transmissions is around 900LBft. What I don't know is if this limit is mechanical or if it is software limited at the transmission control module. More importantly, the mechanical limit could be 900LBft but the software limit might be somewhere lower than that. This is what I won't like to happen. I am unable to confirm that this is or is not the case. Anyone know?
..........Engine is being taken out of the car as we speak for reinforcements. Unfortunately, the project will take a while. Upto 6months I am told, because everything will have to be custom fabricated since no pre-made kits exist.
........regarding twin vs single turbo's. I have learned that generally(not always) twin turbos reduce turbo lag, and that the pipping is actually easier on engines with two cylinder banks. Single turbos are simpler and easier to trouble shoot. The best option is sequentil twin turbos but it is a big headache to get the kinks worked out in an aftermarket application. Finally space contraints more so than any other reason drive the use of single vs twin turbos.
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I'm probably not with the popular opinion on this one. I would go single to keep it simpler. The "vee" configuration can be overcome easily with a crossover or merge pipe, and the extra space can be utilized by the intercooler circuit.
I would love to see a Squires-type rear mount on a W210.
EDIT: You might want to contact Turbonetics.
I would love to see a Squires-type rear mount on a W210.
EDIT: You might want to contact Turbonetics.
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I'm probably not with the popular opinion on this one. I would go single to keep it simpler. The "vee" configuration can be overcome easily with a crossover or merge pipe, and the extra space can be utilized by the intercooler circuit.
I would love to see a Squires-type rear mount on a W210.
EDIT: You might want to contact Turbonetics.
I would love to see a Squires-type rear mount on a W210.
EDIT: You might want to contact Turbonetics.
.............thanks for your response. I am using turbonetics. I tennd to agree with you regarding the use of single turbo. The turbo lag issue is important to me since I want this to be a daily driver. We shall see.
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...........MBS motors are handling the project. I have a long and very positive relationship with them.
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..............hoping for 1000crank HP. Not trying to be coy, but I am not sure about cost since everthing is to be custom fabricated. I am ware of such big projects like Sleestack's that did not go far. Lets just say that, if it is not impossible to do this, IT WILL BE DONE!
...........MBS motors are handling the project. I have a long and very positive relationship with them.
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...........MBS motors are handling the project. I have a long and very positive relationship with them.
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........regarding twin vs single turbo's. I have learned that generally(not always) twin turbos reduce turbo lag, and that the pipping is actually easier on engines with two cylinder banks. Single turbos are simpler and easier to trouble shoot. The best option is sequentil twin turbos but it is a big headache to get the kinks worked out in an aftermarket application. Finally space contraints more so than any other reason drive the use of single vs twin turbos.
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..............hoping for 1000crank HP. Not trying to be coy, but I am not sure about cost since everthing is to be custom fabricated. I am ware of such big projects like Sleestack's that did not go far. Lets just say that, if it is not impossible to do this, IT WILL BE DONE!
...........MBS motors are handling the project. I have a long and very positive relationship with them.
Ted
...........MBS motors are handling the project. I have a long and very positive relationship with them.
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Ted, say it ain't so!!! You already have one of the baddest 210's ever. Why would you butch this car???? Not sure of your budget, but wouldn't it make sense to find another W210 to use as a test mule???