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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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Racing question-best way to launch

I have a date set to race an aquaintence in his 07 ZO6. Both cars are stock, except for my exhaust. I don't have much car racing under my belt, and have not had the opportunity to find the RPM sweet spot in my 63. I figured we would just do a roll on, do the three honk thing, and go from there.
I guess my question is, do I go with the paddles or just stay in auto mode, let it do it's thing and hang on? It will be a straight run until some one lets off. I don't care who wins. Actually I do. I mostly just want to open it up and listen to my Eiesman clear it's throat.

I will try and set up my video camera to catch it, because I sure as hell am not going to try and do it manually while I am driving.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bahb
I have a date set to race an aquaintence in his 07 ZO6. Both cars are stock, except for my exhaust. I don't have much car racing under my belt, and have not had the opportunity to find the RPM sweet spot in my 63. I figured we would just do a roll on, do the three honk thing, and go from there.
I guess my question is, do I go with the paddles or just stay in auto mode, let it do it's thing and hang on? It will be a straight run until some one lets off. I don't care who wins. Actually I do. I mostly just want to open it up and listen to my Eiesman clear it's throat.

I will try and set up my video camera to catch it, because I sure as hell am not going to try and do it manually while I am driving.
You should let the autobox do its job, you'll probably miss a shift point or over-rev, and shifts won't be any faster if you do them yourself. Its going to be harder for your friend to launch than it will be for you. Turn off the ESP and mash the throttle.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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If its on a roll you would want to leave the car in S but manually downshift to keep the car in a lower gear and higher RPMs. Hammer it and let it shift itself. We need videos of this! Good luck trying to beat the Z06 lol.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 01:53 PM
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Your only hope is to go from a dead stop. The best thing to do would be to let the tranny do the shifting and quickly roll into the throttle with ESP off, suspension in comfort mode, for quickest weight transfer. Good luck.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Not to be harsh or anything but the z06 will beat you
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:18 PM
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Best of luck...
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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The guy I am going to race is about sixty years old, so I think he will get cold feet before I do.
I don't anticipate winning, but who cares. Your hauling ***, WOT, going fast and listening to the exhaust. What's not to like. It's such a rush going through the process any way. I'm cool with that. Besides, like the saying goes, "There is always a faster gun".
Now I don't know where to put the camera. If I was positive I was going to get my *** kicked, I would know where to put it. I guess I will just mount it to the passenger head rest.
If this goes through, I will have it on disc and ya all can tell me how to post it.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bahb
Your hauling ***, WOT, going fast and listening to the exhaust. What's not to like.
Exactly

And we're all wainting to see the results (how many car lengths will the Z06 pull you by).
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 02:57 PM
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I'm with ya (as a fellow e63 owner), but I would suggest pointing the camera forward to catch the Z06 pulling away...

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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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Agreed, your only hope would be if he cooks the tires off the line. Make sure it's a dead stop race for your only chance.

From a roll, it's gonna be The Grindhouse Part 2.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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I played w/ one from a roll in my E60 M5... and in the M5's sweet spot too, of a roll starting around 70. We ran up to maybe 130 or 140. He pulled me pretty hard. (This is all kmh of course)
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Agreed, your only hope would be if he cooks the tires off the line. Make sure it's a dead stop race for your only chance.

From a roll, it's gonna be The Grindhouse Part 2.
Jim, Surely you've taught a C6 Z06 or two a lesson in your beast by now....
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudyrono
Jim, Surely you've taught a C6 Z06 or two a lesson in your beast by now....
I still don't know if an E55 Stage II has an advantage over the Z06. That thing is just a monster.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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The Z06 will win, I know. But I respect your approach to the race.
Put your car in S mode, comfort setting, put it in manual at 2nd gear around 40-50mph, ESP off because you're alreay rolling, and let the tranny shift for you. Get the pedal down and smash the kick down as fast as possible. Watch for potential fish tailing as it is unsafe and waste your line.

One trick you may want to do before meeting him is heat up your tires a few times, meet him and run immediately when your tires are still warmed up.

And be safe.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bahb
I have a date set to race an aquaintence in his 07 ZO6. Both cars are stock, except for my exhaust. I don't have much car racing under my belt, and have not had the opportunity to find the RPM sweet spot in my 63. I figured we would just do a roll on, do the three honk thing, and go from there.
I guess my question is, do I go with the paddles or just stay in auto mode, let it do it's thing and hang on? It will be a straight run until some one lets off. I don't care who wins. Actually I do. I mostly just want to open it up and listen to my Eiesman clear it's throat.

I will try and set up my video camera to catch it, because I sure as hell am not going to try and do it manually while I am driving.
I was wondering if anybody uses the SBC HOLD feature to launch their cars????......It eliminates the use of both feet....however you cannot dial in revs prior to launch as this would release the brake.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Efivefive
I was wondering if anybody uses the SBC HOLD feature to launch their cars????.....
Not available in USA, IIRC.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 05:33 AM
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If it would availible if wont help you lanching the car anyways....

Just mash the pedal, hold the sterring wheel and let the car do it best by it self
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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I would recommend from a dead stop...this increases the Zo6's chance of bogging at the line or excessive wheel spin. Going f from a 5mph roll he will slaughter you. (Doesn't matter what stage aftermarket kit you have installed on your car.Saw a bone stock Z06 run 11.4 @ 129 at Englishtown two weeks ago) Just make sure you are in 'S' mode and in 1st gear. The car does not start in 1st gear in 'S' mode unless you have already driven the car above ..say..4,000rpm. I drive the car with the oil temp monitor showing in the dash display..it also displays what gear you are in just above that.
Anyway just have fun and post that video ASAP!!
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 12:26 PM
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I would recommend from a dead stop...this increases the Zo6's chance of bogging at the line or excessive wheel spin. Going f from a 5mph roll he will slaughter you. (Doesn't matter what stage aftermarket kit you have installed on your car.Saw a bone stock Z06 run 11.4 @ 129 at Englishtown two weeks ago) Just make sure you are in 'S' mode and in 1st gear. The car does not start in 1st gear in 'S' mode unless you have already driven the car above ..say..4,000rpm. I drive the car with the oil temp monitor showing in the dash display..it also displays what gear you are in just above that.
Anyway just have fun and post that video ASAP!!
Oil temp monitor in the dash display? Where is that??
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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...it also displays what gear you are in just above that...
And gear display? How to?
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
...(Doesn't matter what stage aftermarket kit you have installed on your car.Saw a bone stock Z06 run 11.4 @ 129 at Englishtown two weeks ago)...
i realize you're talking about an e63 but there are a few modded up e55's that can take a stock c6 z06.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
i realize you're talking about an e63 but there are a few modded up e55's that can take a stock c6 z06.
THANK YOU!!! The Z06 is an incredible car, but to say that it would beat any modded E55 is simply
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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Well, lets look at the facts. The quickest modded E55 (without nitrous) that I've ever heard of ran the 1/4 mile just around 11.3

The quickest stock Z06 that I've ever heard of ran a 10.9 on the 1/4 mile.

I think that the .4 second difference is enough to state that the Z06 is the quicker car. And yes, of course 1/4 mile times are not everything. Trap speed counts more (I forgot what the trap speed of the Z06 was) on a real race and there are plenty of variables but I do believe that if you took two very good drivers and pitted them against eachother in a Z06 vs modded E55k, the Z06 would come out on top.
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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 02:52 PM
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I beat couple of times stock C6 Z06 is 1/4 mile and till about 145-150


As for good drivers...we also did rolling starts at approx 30 and I still beat him till 140...the he catch up pass me and hit the limit at something like 300km and them I slowly pass him

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Old Apr 12, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by E55 RUSS
I beat couple of times stock C6 Z06 is 1/4 mile and till about 145-150


As for good drivers...we also did rolling starts at approx 30 and I still beat him till 140...the he catch up pass me and hit the limit at something like 300km and them I slowly pass him
Wow, then I guess my speculation was off, modded E55s are still the true "beasts" lol. Impressive, I'd love to see your car run, it must be a real monster. Oh well, I guess videos will have to suffice.
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