W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old May 2, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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Finny, will AC o-rings cope with the heat and oil? I would think they're manufactured for a different operating environment. I would hate to have them prematurely fail after all this hard work.

Keep up the photos..... they make me scared.
You would think they would deteriorate, but what your looking at here is about 30,000 k's worth of use with no significant deterioration and no external stains which is ironic considering the sump leaked like a *****. Anyway after a closer inspection with the lid off... not much oil ventures into this area.

So far it seems to work fine. I'm still open to a better solution though.

Plenty more photos to come as well.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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Are you pulling apart the bottom end as well?
I was going to... but after measuring and inspecting the bores according to WIS specs there is no significant wear after 110,000k's. It's ironic because after all the thrashing I've spat the Diff once and the Tranz twice... but the bores fall within WIS tolerances. Visually there is no side loading wear either. The ceramic coating still appears to be uniform... These pumpers are tuff little cookies.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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Here are some more progress shots...

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Timing chain and oil pump assembly installed.

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Removing the old balancer seal with a socket.

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Inserting seal installation tool.

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New seal in timing cover installed.

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MB Part number A 003 989 98 20 10 or Loctite 5970 the same except MB charges 3 times as much.

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Cover with goo.

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Cover fitted.

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Lower sump frame fitted.

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Ready for next step.

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Windage panel fitted.

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Goo added to lower sump.

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Sump fitted, new oil sensor and sump plug next.

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Upright ready for piston face cleaning.

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Crap build up from PCV.

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Bling Bling...

Thats it for now, more latter.

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Old May 4, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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Finny, Finny,Finny, I asked you to post warning signs ... now what have you done ... guys please do not try to do this trick at home, leave your engine alone...
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Old May 4, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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I wish I had the time, tools, parts and patience to do this !!!!

Would love to pull an old 55k unit apart and rebuild ... but mbe not my new one quite yet !!!

Please keep up sending these doses of your progress - lovely stuff matey.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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Finny!!! You are my hero buddy!!

I wish I had the knowledge you have in being able to tear down my own motor and rebuild it from the ground up.

Guys... Finny is one of those very very quiet guys who just happens to know alot more than he leads on.

And if you think this is impressive wait until some other "bits" are leaked out and shown...

There are a few VERY exciting projects that are being worked on behind the scenes and info will be released very soon..
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:01 AM
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Damn Finny, every time I look a those pictures I can't help but wonder what I'd do with all the left over pieces after putting that thing back together.

Cool project!!
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:23 AM
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Holy cow, I can't believe the carbon build up! Nice job Finny.
How can we keep the carbon from building? Do the Catch Can?
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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Great pics Finny, and great pics on the 63 thread too!
That piston just sparkles,
For the DIY guys notice two oil drain plugs in the pan.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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I've got 2 remedies.. 1 is the catch can.. it is the primary defence against this.. The second is the water injection... In additiona to being a cooling aid, the water acts as a cleaning agent.. It turns immediately into steam when it enters the combustion chambers and will remove some of the buildup.

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Holy cow, I can't believe the carbon build up! Nice job Finny.
How can we keep the carbon from building? Do the Catch Can?
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Old May 4, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Finny, regarding the carbon biuld-up - what petrol do you use? Do you ever use injector cleaner? Does that stuff work?
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Old May 4, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Finny

Crap build up from PCV.


Bling Bling...

Thats it for now, more latter.
HAHAHA... that's hilarious!!!

I have to admit... I could never even watch a qualified MB Tech rip out my engine and disasemble it like that, let alone take on the project myself like you... You have Ballz of steel
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Old May 4, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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How you like them KRK monitors Finny?
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Old May 5, 2007 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OzE55
Finny, regarding the carbon biuld-up - what petrol do you use? Do you ever use injector cleaner? Does that stuff work?
I used the local BP 98 ron.

The **** buildup is caused from oil which can cause detonation undetectable to our ears which the ECU detects then backs off the advance which = No Go....
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Old May 5, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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How can we keep the carbon from building? Do the Catch Can?
Yep
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Old May 5, 2007 | 08:01 AM
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How you like them KRK monitors Finny?
What's "KRK monitors" ??? Computer monitor?
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Old May 5, 2007 | 10:58 AM
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Finny, you post great car ****! Keep it up.
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Old May 5, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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The plate that mounts beneath the crank and above the lower oil pan....is that a windage tray like you see installed on alot of aftermarket oil pans for domestics V8's and such??
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Old May 5, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Yes Nitrogen..thats what is is...pretty trick engine actually. 4 bolt mains,cracked rods....good stuff inside.
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Old May 5, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NitrogenBalance
The plate that mounts beneath the crank and above the lower oil pan....is that a windage tray like you see installed on alot of aftermarket oil pans for domestics V8's and such??
Yes, this piece of scrap metal helps prevent HP thieving windage.

Oil is sprayed up under the pistons to lube and cool them. Oil from above is drained directly into the pan via plumbing.

Only a small amount oil from the piston cooling set up comes in contact with the crank. Although not 100% dry, it's the next best thing to the SLR's dry sump setup.
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Old May 5, 2007 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by vader
4 bolt mains,cracked rods....good stuff inside.
Can you believe 6 bolts! 4 on top + 2 @ 90º in the side.

See photo "cover with goo"

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Old May 5, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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4 bolt AND cross bolted...holy crap that is one very stout bottom end...
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Anyone know if the 211 bottom ends are compatable with the older AMG M113's as they are both M113's? Looking at some of the pictures it seems like MB may have made a few upgraded changes that wouldn't allow this swap. I think I recall my tech saying something about the tranny and waterpump maybe?? After seeing some of these features on this brick I would seriously consider sourcing a 211 bottom end to swap into my C43. Then I might be able to muster more than 4-6psi safely...... I wish I was your neighbor.
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