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05-10-2007, 09:54 AM
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2018 SL 65 AMG 2017 GLE 63S 2015 RAM RT
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2005 Mercedes E55 AMG
14,000 Miles
Alabaster White/Charcoal Interior
Navigation
Lowenhart Chrome LT5 19" Rims Michelin PS2s small burr on right front rim. Wife hit a cone in the highway
100,000 miles Extended Warranty
No Keyless Go/Distronic
The exterior of the vehicle is in Excellent Condition with NO chips, dings etc. We always park our vehicles far away from other vehicles if possible.
All service has been performed at Park Place Mercedes in the DFW area(FT Worth). Driven by a little ole retired school administrator
Must sell because will take delivery of a 2008 CL63 at the end of this month.
Price: $66,999.00
If interested you can call me at 817-429-2317 or email me at joal9@tx.rr.com
Thanks,
Al E
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2005 Mercedes E55 AMG
14,000 Miles
Alabaster White/Charcoal Interior
Navigation
Lowenhart Chrome LT5 19" Rims Michelin PS2s small burr on right front rim. Wife hit a cone in the highway
100,000 miles Extended Warranty
No Keyless Go/Distronic
The exterior of the vehicle is in Excellent Condition with NO chips, dings etc. We always park our vehicles far away from other vehicles if possible.
All service has been performed at Park Place Mercedes in the DFW area(FT Worth). Driven by a little ole retired school administrator
Must sell because will take delivery of a 2008 CL63 at the end of this month.
Price: $66,999.00
If interested you can call me at 817-429-2317 or email me at joal9@tx.rr.com
Thanks,
Al E
Happy Motoring
05-11-2007, 11:11 PM
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Al, So, you have a new ZO6, a CLS 55, and you are getting a CL63? That is some kind of nice stable you have there. Are you going to drive the CLS or the CL? Let me know when it comes in. I would love to see it. What color are you getting?
05-12-2007, 11:47 AM
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I concur ... auctions, which arent the same as private sales are showing these numbers on 2005's. I use this as reference and not as a bible but they pretty much dictate the market IMO. Mileage does affect the sale but not as much as your asking price seeing that an "above" flint gray with only 7k went for 56k. Any "above" car at an auction sale is truly clean. Good luck with the sale, looks like you have a nice ride.
05/03/07 HOBBY Regular $53,250 25,251 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
04/26/07 RIVRSIDE Regular $39,750 53,044 Below SILVER 8G A No
04/19/07 NEVADA Regular $51,000 33,539 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
04/11/07 W PALM Regular $51,300 30,789 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/11/07 W PALM Factory $48,200 20,660 Avg OBS BLK 8G A Yes
04/05/07 MANHEIM Regular $56,750 7,448 Above FLINTGRY 8G A Yes
05/03/07 HOBBY Regular $53,250 25,251 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
04/26/07 RIVRSIDE Regular $39,750 53,044 Below SILVER 8G A No
04/19/07 NEVADA Regular $51,000 33,539 Avg SILVER 8G A Yes
04/11/07 W PALM Regular $51,300 30,789 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/11/07 W PALM Factory $48,200 20,660 Avg OBS BLK 8G A Yes
04/05/07 MANHEIM Regular $56,750 7,448 Above FLINTGRY 8G A Yes
05-12-2007, 12:40 PM
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I'd respectfully disagree.... MMR does not know the condition of the car. It just makes the assumption that the buyers are not stupid, thus, assumes the higher priced car is "above", and the lower priced car is "below". To me it's useless.
Oh, plus, auctioned cars have typically worse conditions than the ones on big dealers' lots as auctions are usually dealers' last resort. So the logic is obvious... can't sell the car, throw it to auction.
Oh, plus, auctioned cars have typically worse conditions than the ones on big dealers' lots as auctions are usually dealers' last resort. So the logic is obvious... can't sell the car, throw it to auction.
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I'd respectfully disagree.... MMR does not know the condition of the car. It just makes the assumption that the buyers are not stupid, thus, assumes the higher priced car is "above", and the lower priced car is "below". To me it's useless.
Oh, plus, auctioned cars have typically worse conditions than the ones on big dealers' lots as auctions are usually dealers' last resort. So the logic is obvious... can't sell the car, throw it to auction.
Oh, plus, auctioned cars have typically worse conditions than the ones on big dealers' lots as auctions are usually dealers' last resort. So the logic is obvious... can't sell the car, throw it to auction.
hmmm the cars are all conditioned in advance. If you have access to Manheim you will see that all cars presale are rated from 1 to 5 with 3 pulling average and anything above that bumping the rating to above. What would be the purpose of putting the ratings in if it didnt mean anything. My access to Manheim is not public nor is it to any of my dealers. I have seen many below average cars at SCAA, Riverside, Cade, etc and they do mean something (average is better than below). These are my findings and yours might differ.
As for your statement about cars being sold at auctions are dealers last resort is not valid at least here in California as primarily all purchases of auction cars are dealers that then put them on their lots to sell. Yes some dealers may take in cars that dont belong on their lots but the cars do belong on others. Most of my big BMW and Benz stores buy bank lease returns at the auction and even dealer sales. The factory sales dont provide poor products for the most part unless they are lemons.
If you have access to the MMR on Manheim you can see most of the cars pre sale with pictures, ratings, and the inspectors comments. I have 210 clients who use this site and buy cars all over the US. The ratings do serve a purpose for future considerations in their opinion, yours may differ respectfully of course.
05-12-2007, 01:32 PM
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Yes, I know auctions give stars to the cars sold... but I don't think it goes to the system. If you go to Manheim website, you cannot search cars by its rating... an inspector's report seems to be offline.
Put it this way, don't you think there should be some occassions when "above" cars got sold lower than "average" cars and "average" cars got sold lower than "below" cars? May not be a lot... and may not happen in one auction at one time... but IMO it happens from time to time.
And now take a look at MMR... At any given point in time, Min. "above" price is always higher than Max. "average" price; and Min. "average" price is always higher than max. "below" price. It's too good to be true, don't you think?
But either way, since the buyers should be well informed (since they're in car business), it is very fair and safe assumption to show the rating in relation to the price sold. The condition assessment shown in MMR may be inaccurate for cars whose prices are in the margin.
As for the auction as the last resort, I may have too generalized it... I should say on average... yes, you could still find gem cars at auctions... but on average, the auctioned cars are typically in worse conditions as it's the nature of human being - keep the good ones himself. Of course, this may not be true all the time... especially condition assessment is very subjective and relative.
Put it this way, don't you think there should be some occassions when "above" cars got sold lower than "average" cars and "average" cars got sold lower than "below" cars? May not be a lot... and may not happen in one auction at one time... but IMO it happens from time to time.
And now take a look at MMR... At any given point in time, Min. "above" price is always higher than Max. "average" price; and Min. "average" price is always higher than max. "below" price. It's too good to be true, don't you think?
But either way, since the buyers should be well informed (since they're in car business), it is very fair and safe assumption to show the rating in relation to the price sold. The condition assessment shown in MMR may be inaccurate for cars whose prices are in the margin.
As for the auction as the last resort, I may have too generalized it... I should say on average... yes, you could still find gem cars at auctions... but on average, the auctioned cars are typically in worse conditions as it's the nature of human being - keep the good ones himself. Of course, this may not be true all the time... especially condition assessment is very subjective and relative.
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Back to topic... OP, good luck on your sale. I myself am in the position of self denial 
The market price seems to be lower than what we think the car is worth. I still put the car for sale but w/ almost no motivation to sell...
FYI, check around the forum... and check avg. ads' prices. You'll see that members get '05 for less... just recently, a member (gthang - I think) bought a quite loaded, 10K, CPO '05 from a dealer. You could ask how much he paid... there are a lot of other members also who bought '05, including myself.
I got 16K designo '05 w/ all options except distronic and that darn rear sunshade for a lot less than that... granted, it was not CPO (the dealer told me the car was CPO'd and got cancelled b/c they - non-MB dealer - bought the car
) but it is designo and possibly has more options than yours.
Posting detailed pictures would also help.
The market price seems to be lower than what we think the car is worth. I still put the car for sale but w/ almost no motivation to sell... FYI, check around the forum... and check avg. ads' prices. You'll see that members get '05 for less... just recently, a member (gthang - I think) bought a quite loaded, 10K, CPO '05 from a dealer. You could ask how much he paid... there are a lot of other members also who bought '05, including myself.
I got 16K designo '05 w/ all options except distronic and that darn rear sunshade for a lot less than that... granted, it was not CPO (the dealer told me the car was CPO'd and got cancelled b/c they - non-MB dealer - bought the car
) but it is designo and possibly has more options than yours.Posting detailed pictures would also help.
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Yes, I know auctions give stars to the cars sold... but I don't think it goes to the system. If you go to Manheim website, you cannot search cars by its rating... an inspector's report seems to be offline.
Put it this way, don't you think there should be some occassions when "above" cars got sold lower than "average" cars and "average" cars got sold lower than "below" cars? May not be a lot... and may not happen in one auction at one time... but IMO it happens from time to time.
And now take a look at MMR... At any given point in time, Min. "above" price is always higher than Max. "average" price; and Min. "average" price is always higher than max. "below" price. It's too good to be true, don't you think?
But either way, since the buyers should be well informed (since they're in car business), it is very fair and safe assumption to show the rating in relation to the price sold. The condition assessment shown in MMR may be inaccurate for cars whose prices are in the margin.
As for the auction as the last resort, I may have too generalized it... I should say on average... yes, you could still find gem cars at auctions... but on average, the auctioned cars are typically in worse conditions as it's the nature of human being - keep the good ones himself. Of course, this may not be true all the time... especially condition assessment is very subjective and relative.
Put it this way, don't you think there should be some occassions when "above" cars got sold lower than "average" cars and "average" cars got sold lower than "below" cars? May not be a lot... and may not happen in one auction at one time... but IMO it happens from time to time.
And now take a look at MMR... At any given point in time, Min. "above" price is always higher than Max. "average" price; and Min. "average" price is always higher than max. "below" price. It's too good to be true, don't you think?
But either way, since the buyers should be well informed (since they're in car business), it is very fair and safe assumption to show the rating in relation to the price sold. The condition assessment shown in MMR may be inaccurate for cars whose prices are in the margin.
As for the auction as the last resort, I may have too generalized it... I should say on average... yes, you could still find gem cars at auctions... but on average, the auctioned cars are typically in worse conditions as it's the nature of human being - keep the good ones himself. Of course, this may not be true all the time... especially condition assessment is very subjective and relative.
Public auctions are too much of a crap shoot for large lenders (way too many hassels and price fluctuations) and maintaining your own lot is a big committment .. so dealers get to pick the best of lease returns at a discount to sell on their lots .. the large majority of these cars will never see public auction.
That said, I personally would never buy from a pub. auction, left overs & high risk cars .. and the only people who can buy at the prices listed here are those wiht dealer creditials .. so the price range is accurate for dealers, obviously add a few thousand for public consumption.
As for car ratings .. they may or may not be searchable with certain access levels in the auctions site .. but the ratings are real and based on the condition of the cars .. there are generally 3 people who rate them, the seller (my auctioner rated all my cars before they hit the block, how else can you know what to expect?), auction itself and the buyer who almost always inspects the cars prior to bidding.
No one of the three likes to depend on the others rating so we all do our own inspections .. but in my experience the auction rating is as accurate as any.
Just my .02 cents!!
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OK... I respect your opinions.... but no, I'm not mixing w/ public auctions. What Vic and I argued is MMR (Manheim Market Report) rating, which Vic copied and pasted above. We did not argue about the actual rating at the auction (1-5 stars) or condition report. I 100% agree they are accurate.
Here's my proof - 2005 Honda Accord LX 4D Auto (just to get the one w/ a lot of data points) from Manheim auctions all over the country.
>>>> MIN. "ABOVE" PRICE > MAX. "AVERAGE" PRICE <<<<
>>>> MIN. "AVERAGE" PRICE > MAX. "BELOW PRICE <<<<
Now... do you think it's coincidental that NONE of "above" condition cars never got sold below the HIGHEST price of "average" condition cars? To me, the answer is NO.
I must state once again that the buyers, in this case dealers, are well informed. This means the price at Manheim auctions has a lot higher correlation w/ the conditions & mileage than the one at B2C or C2C transactions. So it is still safe to use the MMR rating... but be sure not to use it literally.
Sorry to argue.... it's fun sometimes to argue....
04/19/07 SO CAL Regular $9,400 85,956 Below GRRAY 4G A No
04/24/07 BISHOP B Lease $9,800 103,910 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/11/07 NEVADA Lease $10,000 38,738 Below BLUE 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Regular $10,300 72,763 Below GOLD 4G No
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $10,400 50,279 Below GRAY 4G A No
05/08/07 FAAO Lease $10,400 48,990 Below WHITE 4G A No
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $10,500 44,427 Below WHITE 4G A No
04/25/07 BUTLER Regular $10,500 47,366 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/08/07 SKYLINE Regular $10,550 39,752 Below TAN 4G A No
04/17/07 FAAO Factory $10,600 26,114 Below BLUE 4G A No
05/08/07 FAAO Lease $10,700 43,780 Below GREEN 4G A No
04/26/07 HOBBY Regular $10,900 70,513 Below WHITE 4G A No
04/18/07 BAY CITI Regular $11,250 13,291 Below GREEN 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Lease $11,500 88,223 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/09/07 DAL DLRS Regular $11,600 69,535 Below GREY 4G A No
04/26/07 GTR TMPA Lease $11,600 49,681 Below C GRAY 4G A No
04/26/07 SO CAL Factory $11,600 25,613 Below GREY 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $11,800 57,528 Below WH 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Regular $11,900 32,934 Below BEIGE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Lease $11,900 5,222 Below GOLD 4G A No
05/10/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,000 63,907 Below GREEN 4G A No
05/01/07 STATESVL Regular $12,000 51,575 Below NAVY 4G A Yes
04/24/07 STATESVL Lease $12,000 32,920 Below GREEN 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $12,100 51,913 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 LOS ANGL Regular $12,200 55,464 Below SILVER 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $12,300 59,672 Below BK 4G A No
05/01/07 DAL DLRS Lease $12,300 47,689 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
05/10/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,500 45,853 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/03/07 GTR TMPA Lease $12,500 18,560 Below GREEN 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Lease $12,500 23,924 Below TAN 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $12,500 31,486 Below GOLD 4G A Yes
04/24/07 STATESVL Regular $12,500 50,532 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Lease $12,500 56,068 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Lease $12,600 37,150 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CEN FLA Lease $12,600 35,023 Below GREY 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $12,600 41,800 Below GRAY 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,600 25,901 Below GOLD 4G A Yes
04/18/07 CADE Lease $12,600 51,987 Below SILVER 4G A Yes 05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $12,800 40,753 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $12,800 44,970 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $12,800 42,269 Avg GD 4G A Yes
05/01/07 TENN Regular $12,800 64,441 Avg SILVER 4G No
04/25/07 NADE Lease $12,800 22,574 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/24/07 TENN Regular $12,800 30,941 Avg SILVER 4G Yes
04/19/07 GTR TMPA Regular $12,800 45,946 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 DETROIT Lease $12,800 38,374 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Regular $12,900 46,187 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $12,900 27,117 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/10/07 NORTHWY Regular $13,000 15,746 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/02/07 SW FL Regular $13,000 26,349 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/26/07 W PALM Regular $13,000 42,665 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/19/07 LAS VEGA Regular $13,000 43,398 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,100 22,300 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Lease $13,100 20,335 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/20/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,100 18,171 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 HOBBY Regular $13,100 25,601 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 NADE Lease $13,200 22,972 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $13,200 38,888 Avg BLACK 4G Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $13,200 33,120 Avg BLACK 4G Yes
04/26/07 SO CAL Lease $13,200 44,735 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
04/25/07 KC Lease $13,200 32,737 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $13,200 32,634 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $13,200 35,232 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 BIG H Regular $13,200 42,240 Avg TAN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DALLAS Regular $13,250 47,764 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 LOS ANGL Regular $13,300 33,386 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 MISS Regular $13,300 33,283 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 DETROIT Lease $13,300 28,892 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,400 39,766 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CADE Regular $13,400 41,398 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Lease $13,400 25,479 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/01/07 DETROIT Lease $13,400 24,088 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/27/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,400 28,702 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/26/07 DARLNTON Regular $13,400 44,814 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $13,400 43,222 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/18/07 NASHVILL Regular $13,400 26,579 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 LAKELAND Regular $13,500 16,124 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 OHIO Regular $13,500 40,035 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 OHIO Regular $13,500 21,170 Avg SIL 4G A Yes
05/01/07 STATESVL Regular $13,500 33,377 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/26/07 NORTHWY Regular $13,500 30,462 Avg DK GRN 4G A Yes
04/25/07 MINNEAP Regular $13,500 31,690 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
04/24/07 LOUISVLL Regular $13,500 29,347 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,600 30,350 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/13/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $13,600 25,258 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/13/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,600 7,018 Avg BLUE 4G Yes
05/10/07 DARLNTON Regular $13,700 32,934 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DALLAS Regular $13,700 31,540 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DAYTONA Regular $13,700 16,281 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,700 37,361 Avg DK/GREEN 4G A Yes
04/20/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,700 19,141 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,800 24,982 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Lease $13,800 20,231 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,800 40,930 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,800 26,354 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/26/07 DFW Regular $13,800 30,932 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Lease $13,800 14,284 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,900 30,792 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
04/26/07 ATLANTA Lease $13,900 31,254 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 25,094 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 22,673 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 17,861 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/25/07 UTAH Lease $14,000 25,179 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/20/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $14,000 29,407 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,000 23,535 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/13/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 22,697 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Regular $14,100 9,380 Avg TAN 4G A Yes
04/26/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $14,100 33,402 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
04/17/07 STATESVL Regular $14,100 32,226 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 SO CAL Regular $14,200 33,265 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/01/07 STATESVL Lease $14,200 29,625 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 NADE Lease $14,300 27,142 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $14,300 18,652 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/24/07 HATFIELD Regular $14,300 18,744 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $14,400 23,079 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/25/07 DALLAS Regular $14,400 21,516 Above GREY 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NASHVILL Regular $14,400 29,348 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,450 38,192 Above CHARCOL 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $14,500 25,619 Above BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CEN FLA Regular $14,500 29,107 Above GREEN 4G A Yes
05/03/07 DARLNTON Regular $14,500 18,319 Above GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,700 34,275 Above GRAY 4G A Yes
04/18/07 SAN ANTO Regular $14,700 30,376 Above SLV 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,800 37,153 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,800 18,835 Above SILVER 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,900 15,928 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Regular $14,900 30,976 Above TAN 4G A Yes
04/19/07 HOBBY Regular $14,900 14,326 Above BLACK 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $15,000 19,989 Above GREEN 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $15,100 19,458 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
05/03/07 GTR TMPA Regular $15,200 15,810 Above GOLD 4G A Yes
04/18/07 SAN ANTO Lease $15,200 18,930 Above SILVER 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $15,500 22,696 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
Here's my proof - 2005 Honda Accord LX 4D Auto (just to get the one w/ a lot of data points) from Manheim auctions all over the country.
>>>> MIN. "ABOVE" PRICE > MAX. "AVERAGE" PRICE <<<<
>>>> MIN. "AVERAGE" PRICE > MAX. "BELOW PRICE <<<<
Now... do you think it's coincidental that NONE of "above" condition cars never got sold below the HIGHEST price of "average" condition cars? To me, the answer is NO.
I must state once again that the buyers, in this case dealers, are well informed. This means the price at Manheim auctions has a lot higher correlation w/ the conditions & mileage than the one at B2C or C2C transactions. So it is still safe to use the MMR rating... but be sure not to use it literally.
Sorry to argue.... it's fun sometimes to argue....
04/19/07 SO CAL Regular $9,400 85,956 Below GRRAY 4G A No
04/24/07 BISHOP B Lease $9,800 103,910 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/11/07 NEVADA Lease $10,000 38,738 Below BLUE 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Regular $10,300 72,763 Below GOLD 4G No
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $10,400 50,279 Below GRAY 4G A No
05/08/07 FAAO Lease $10,400 48,990 Below WHITE 4G A No
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $10,500 44,427 Below WHITE 4G A No
04/25/07 BUTLER Regular $10,500 47,366 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/08/07 SKYLINE Regular $10,550 39,752 Below TAN 4G A No
04/17/07 FAAO Factory $10,600 26,114 Below BLUE 4G A No
05/08/07 FAAO Lease $10,700 43,780 Below GREEN 4G A No
04/26/07 HOBBY Regular $10,900 70,513 Below WHITE 4G A No
04/18/07 BAY CITI Regular $11,250 13,291 Below GREEN 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Lease $11,500 88,223 Below SILVER 4G A No
05/09/07 DAL DLRS Regular $11,600 69,535 Below GREY 4G A No
04/26/07 GTR TMPA Lease $11,600 49,681 Below C GRAY 4G A No
04/26/07 SO CAL Factory $11,600 25,613 Below GREY 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $11,800 57,528 Below WH 4G A No
05/02/07 NADE Regular $11,900 32,934 Below BEIGE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Lease $11,900 5,222 Below GOLD 4G A No
05/10/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,000 63,907 Below GREEN 4G A No
05/01/07 STATESVL Regular $12,000 51,575 Below NAVY 4G A Yes
04/24/07 STATESVL Lease $12,000 32,920 Below GREEN 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $12,100 51,913 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 LOS ANGL Regular $12,200 55,464 Below SILVER 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $12,300 59,672 Below BK 4G A No
05/01/07 DAL DLRS Lease $12,300 47,689 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
05/10/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,500 45,853 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/03/07 GTR TMPA Lease $12,500 18,560 Below GREEN 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Lease $12,500 23,924 Below TAN 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $12,500 31,486 Below GOLD 4G A Yes
04/24/07 STATESVL Regular $12,500 50,532 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Lease $12,500 56,068 Below WHITE 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Lease $12,600 37,150 Below BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CEN FLA Lease $12,600 35,023 Below GREY 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $12,600 41,800 Below GRAY 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $12,600 25,901 Below GOLD 4G A Yes
04/18/07 CADE Lease $12,600 51,987 Below SILVER 4G A Yes 05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $12,800 40,753 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $12,800 44,970 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
05/03/07 OMAHA Regular $12,800 42,269 Avg GD 4G A Yes
05/01/07 TENN Regular $12,800 64,441 Avg SILVER 4G No
04/25/07 NADE Lease $12,800 22,574 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/24/07 TENN Regular $12,800 30,941 Avg SILVER 4G Yes
04/19/07 GTR TMPA Regular $12,800 45,946 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 DETROIT Lease $12,800 38,374 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Regular $12,900 46,187 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $12,900 27,117 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/10/07 NORTHWY Regular $13,000 15,746 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/02/07 SW FL Regular $13,000 26,349 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/26/07 W PALM Regular $13,000 42,665 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/19/07 LAS VEGA Regular $13,000 43,398 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,100 22,300 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Lease $13,100 20,335 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/20/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,100 18,171 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 HOBBY Regular $13,100 25,601 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 NADE Lease $13,200 22,972 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $13,200 38,888 Avg BLACK 4G Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Lease $13,200 33,120 Avg BLACK 4G Yes
04/26/07 SO CAL Lease $13,200 44,735 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
04/25/07 KC Lease $13,200 32,737 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $13,200 32,634 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/23/07 BIG H Regular $13,200 35,232 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 BIG H Regular $13,200 42,240 Avg TAN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DALLAS Regular $13,250 47,764 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 LOS ANGL Regular $13,300 33,386 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/19/07 MISS Regular $13,300 33,283 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 DETROIT Lease $13,300 28,892 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,400 39,766 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CADE Regular $13,400 41,398 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Lease $13,400 25,479 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/01/07 DETROIT Lease $13,400 24,088 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/27/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,400 28,702 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
04/26/07 DARLNTON Regular $13,400 44,814 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NADE Lease $13,400 43,222 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/18/07 NASHVILL Regular $13,400 26,579 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 LAKELAND Regular $13,500 16,124 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 OHIO Regular $13,500 40,035 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 OHIO Regular $13,500 21,170 Avg SIL 4G A Yes
05/01/07 STATESVL Regular $13,500 33,377 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/26/07 NORTHWY Regular $13,500 30,462 Avg DK GRN 4G A Yes
04/25/07 MINNEAP Regular $13,500 31,690 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
04/24/07 LOUISVLL Regular $13,500 29,347 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,600 30,350 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/13/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $13,600 25,258 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/13/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,600 7,018 Avg BLUE 4G Yes
05/10/07 DARLNTON Regular $13,700 32,934 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DALLAS Regular $13,700 31,540 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 DAYTONA Regular $13,700 16,281 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,700 37,361 Avg DK/GREEN 4G A Yes
04/20/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,700 19,141 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $13,800 24,982 Avg BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Lease $13,800 20,231 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,800 40,930 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $13,800 26,354 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
04/26/07 DFW Regular $13,800 30,932 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Lease $13,800 14,284 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $13,900 30,792 Avg GRAY 4G A Yes
04/26/07 ATLANTA Lease $13,900 31,254 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/11/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 25,094 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 22,673 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
05/04/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 17,861 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
04/25/07 UTAH Lease $14,000 25,179 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
04/20/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $14,000 29,407 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,000 23,535 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
04/13/07 MANHEIM Regular $14,000 22,697 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 KC Regular $14,100 9,380 Avg TAN 4G A Yes
04/26/07 LAUD/MIA Regular $14,100 33,402 Avg GREY 4G A Yes
04/17/07 STATESVL Regular $14,100 32,226 Avg GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 SO CAL Regular $14,200 33,265 Avg BLUE 4G A Yes
05/01/07 STATESVL Lease $14,200 29,625 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/09/07 NADE Lease $14,300 27,142 Avg SILVER 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $14,300 18,652 Avg GREEN 4G A Yes
04/24/07 HATFIELD Regular $14,300 18,744 Avg WHITE 4G A Yes
05/08/07 FAAO Regular $14,400 23,079 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/25/07 DALLAS Regular $14,400 21,516 Above GREY 4G A Yes
04/25/07 NASHVILL Regular $14,400 29,348 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,450 38,192 Above CHARCOL 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $14,500 25,619 Above BLACK 4G A Yes
05/09/07 CEN FLA Regular $14,500 29,107 Above GREEN 4G A Yes
05/03/07 DARLNTON Regular $14,500 18,319 Above GOLD 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,700 34,275 Above GRAY 4G A Yes
04/18/07 SAN ANTO Regular $14,700 30,376 Above SLV 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,800 37,153 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
04/17/07 FAAO Regular $14,800 18,835 Above SILVER 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $14,900 15,928 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
05/02/07 DALLAS Regular $14,900 30,976 Above TAN 4G A Yes
04/19/07 HOBBY Regular $14,900 14,326 Above BLACK 4G A Yes
05/03/07 ATLANTA Regular $15,000 19,989 Above GREEN 4G A Yes
04/19/07 ATLANTA Regular $15,100 19,458 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
05/03/07 GTR TMPA Regular $15,200 15,810 Above GOLD 4G A Yes
04/18/07 SAN ANTO Lease $15,200 18,930 Above SILVER 4G A Yes
05/10/07 SO CAL Lease $15,500 22,696 Above WHITE 4G A Yes
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Only time the dealer auctions come into play is when your trading a car in.The average Joe off the street is going to use KBB,autotrader,nada etc for his idea of a fair price to pay or sell at.
I dont see why these auction prices are even brought up unless a guy is asking questions reguarding a trade in deal.Yes this car might be on the high side but if he wants he can always negotiate his price.Thats how its always been done,right?The vast majority of people wont ever see the inside of a high end auction.
I dont see why these auction prices are even brought up unless a guy is asking questions reguarding a trade in deal.Yes this car might be on the high side but if he wants he can always negotiate his price.Thats how its always been done,right?The vast majority of people wont ever see the inside of a high end auction.
