Scott in H-town

No chance unless you get some stickers that say things like "Nitto" or "NeuSpeed".

Oh, and make sure they're yellow. Yellow is the fastest color.

Marcus Frost

Please do not post fallacies. Do not use words like "most" - when you are not in a position to do so. C5 Z06s trap 118mph, not C6 Z06s. You tell me how a 505hp car @ 3100lbs will only trap 118mph. C6 Z06s trap 122-127 - stock. Long tubes, a tune, and air filter, you're bordering 130 if not more.

I am on the Z06 forum every day. I went there just now and clicked on a random thread and here are some times:

Silver 06Z06 Bone Stock
11.242@122.38, 1.688 60' @ Atco,NJ 11/17/06 +500DA
Timeslip
Bone stock on DR's:11.05@127.07,1.664 60'@MIR,MD. 2/23/07

'06 Z06 red 73 passes
Bone Stock Stock Tires……11.22 127.16 1.85 60'
Bone Stock DRs......….…….10.85 129.50 1.67 60'

Finally, why are we talking about your S4 - when the guy was asking about an E55?

-m

JAYCL600

all i can say is that where i come from the z06's are fast and most guys can drive, i believe rangers stock 10sec pass is down here at MIR

newton22

It has been said before, Ranger is one in many. Ranger pushes limits and shows the full potential of the C6Z on DRs, but few, very few can take that car and go that fast.

blackbenzz

Yup! Gotta watch out for that guy! He lives somewhere around here

Rudyrono

I have had two encounters with the C6 Z06, one on the street and one at the track.

The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.

Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw

That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.

Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.

That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.

SleeperX

The Z06 wasn't stock in the video I posted..

EvilllEmpirE

fallacies? Sorry Marcus.....but you seem like you sound exactly like the typical guy I was describing.....to post the better times of Bone stock C6 Z06's. Here is why.....

you posted the Atco slip....with a 122 MPH trap. I said and I quote "More like 118-123 for the average driver". That is right in range.....and the slip is at Atco, one of the fastest tracks in the US....period. Please don't pull #'s from Z06 forums....as only the best times and runs are posted and not crappy passes. You want to see what "Bone Stock Z06's" run out here in SoCal tracks? I have yet to see an 11, as all the Z06's I've seen (about 4 or 5 different ones) have run anywhere from 12.2 to 13.1 and trapping 115-121. You want to throw the best #'s from forums out at me......well, we must talk about the real life #'s that we see as well. And bringing up "Ranger's" record setting passes.....oh please, you'd think we have not heard about them enough already. Bottom line is......Ranger has over 2000 or something passes in Z06 Vettes.....he's a drag race expert extraordinaire....and his results DO NOT represent what most if not almost ALL Z06's can or will do.

Also....Rangers passes at MIR were done at Sea Level.....with DA' factored in BELOW Sea Level. Extremely ideal conditions.....and not representative of a Z06 doing some runs with a modded E55 out in normal weather.

Oh btw.....since you are posting all these Best times from Z06's.....lets post not so best times, at a bad track with elevation and DA' (Density Altitude) factored in.



Sure.....it wasn't a good driver, etc.....but his traps are WAAAY down. At that track....with an excellent driver...bone stock C6 Z06's run lo to mid 12's@116 BEST. Go ahead and ask if anyone has their best times from LACR or any strip in SoCal for that matter. They are not hitting 125 MPH traps....that is for sure.

And finally...i brought up my S4 since this the Pro Z06's guys ALWAYS argue that so and so car only traps this, and they have no chance (dreaming, etc) against the Z06. Fact is....an E55 AMG with Pulley, Headers, and ECU will very well run right with or beat a Z06.....whilst trapping "only" in the lo 120's range. Just like my car. That was my point.

PS. 118 traps from a C5 Z06..............riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Throw Ranger in the drivers seat......at ideal sea level tracks with excellent conditions, of course a stock C5 Z06 will trap 118. But in reality......they are mid/lo 12 cars trapping 112-115.....in most circumstances.

joemoney415

That Ford GT in the video sounded almost exactly like my old '02 Lightning. That was some serious ownage from by the Vette, especially considering the price discrepancy bewteen the two. However, if the same $$ it took to mod the Z06 were used to mod the GT, wouldn't the GT handle the Z06 relatively easily. Just food for thought.

Marcus Frost

Evil let's be clear - I'm talking from experience. I've had a Stage 3 B5 S4. I HAVE a Z06. I'm not posting stories and heresay.

A Z06 traps low because it's not an easy car to drive and if you are not in the throttle through the whole 1st 1000 feet you are not going to trap well. Try slamming a Z06 into 2nd gear and have your *** almost hit the wall and you will see VERY quickly why some Z06s make ****TY passes. Z06s have been dyno'd over and OVER and OVER again - they MAKE the power. What they will trap at the track is purely the ability of the driver. You want to talk about ****ty trap speeds guys get because they lay in too much throttle and have to back out, or feather, or whatever - OF COURSE the trap is going to be low.

Who cares about ET? I have seen FEW lot ET Z06s. I will agree with that, but ET is a factor of traction as much as it is power. I don't really care about ETs. I have only seen Z06s trap low when they come out of the hole too hot or hit 2nd too hard or for whatever reason are not making a clean pass - PERIOD. It's not about debate, you can just do the math. Z06 weighs 3100lbs and has 505hp. You tell me how that equates to a 115mph trap speed at WOT with a clean pass?

Ranger is good at ET - which, if you were thinking, works against trap speeds. A lower 60' often results in a slightly lower trap speed. It's just fact. I told you I brought up a random thread on the Z06 forums and I did, it just so happens that Ranger posts there like it's going out of style. You want to make up excuses everytime I post a time because it's the fastest track, or it's John Force, or whatever have you.

Why are you trying to dictate to me how a C6 Z06 will do against an E55? I've had TWO W211 E55s, and I also happen to have a C6 Z06. From a dig they'll be close but on the highway from 60mph+ the Z06 would leave the E55 behind no problem. My last E55 trapped 114mph, this Z06 easily traps 122+ - although I haven't verified that yet. I've had enough cars to be able to guess trap speeds pretty accurately.

Do you want me to post **** S4 times? You post some worthless time slip with a guy obviously totally blowing the launch and a 2.2 60' time. They mean nothing. Give me a break man - you can post ****ty Z06 runs all day - and I'll go back to the same. You look at the CONSISTENT DYNO #s for Z06s, and you look at CLEAN runs - 505hp and 3100lbs is a 123+mph car, EASILY.

I could CARE LESS about your S4. I had a pretty quick one I built myself for 2 years. I could build 3 of them for the price I paid for my Z06. I could build any number of 120mph trapping cars. I don't care. What I do care is you posting biased BS that Z06s don't meet a certain level of performance - because that's just incorrect.

Again you talk about Ranger getting good traps? RANGER ETs WELL. He gets good traps because he also drives and shifts well but his call to fame is his launch. A car will trap what it will trap based on how much power it has. You could just get a 2.0 60" and as long as you keep it straight and shift quickly you'll trap pretty much what the car can trap. To 60' like Ranger is what is the difficult part, not trap like him.

I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you. You have a quick car but your ego is growing a little too quickly. This isn't an S4 forum nor is this an S4 discussion. The fact is the Z06 weighs 1000lbs less than an E55 and makes the same if not more HP. The guy who posted wants to know how/if he can make his E55 as fast as a Z06, not you coming on some tirade about Z06s are all full of **** and trap like dogs.

-m

sprink49

Simply put...a bottle.

EvilllEmpirE

Oh please....Marcus, no disrespect....I won't go an reply to every single point you tried to make. Bottom line is this.......

1) you talk about experience from your S4.....don't take it the wrong way, but your S4 did not exactly make good power. You had an AWE off the shelft kit that was down on boost, which leads me to believe it was broke (which ALOT of AWE cars are). Again....sorry if this might upset you....but your car put a pretty low number (yes, even on CPT DD Dyno which reads low), but compared to other strong cars....the power it made was quite low.

2) Where did I talk down on the performance of Z06s?! Oh please.....read again. Z06's are beasts....monsters in their own right, one of the standards in performance in today's market. And by far....the best bang for the buck performancewise.....NO ONE is disputing that. But you seem to have that same (oh, Z06's can't be beat elitist attitude)....which is all too common. They are very fast stock......and have alot of potential, especially when drivern correctly.....but please stop with this Z06 is way out of the league of some cars attitude. We've seen 11's from them, we've seen awesome traps. They make more HP than their advertised 505......and they weigh only 3100 lbs. They are damn fast.....nobody is taking anything away from them, and certainly not me.

3) This discussion was how a modded E55 (ECU , headers, pulley, etc) would run vs a stock C6 Z06. And i think it would be close....depending on conditions. Not about a stock E55.....that trapped 114 vs your Z06 (which i'm sure could trap 122). I am sure a modded E55 could trap 120+...which would run with a Z06.....which is what this whole thread is about.

4) Ego with my S4? There is none of that....i am just stating facts of what I have seen from Z06's (at the track and on the streets with setup comparisons). Not pulling a timeslip from one part of the country and stating that a modded E55 has no chance. Period.......it's not too hard to understand that is it?

TopGun32

C5 Z06s trap 118mph????

is possible and probably been done.

but definately out of the standard deviation curve..

c5 Z06 run a bit faster to C6 base models or in some cases pretty dead even.

Now with the updates to the new C6 base model engine, that will soon change.

EvilllEmpirE

that is exactly my point.......as stated, 118 mph trap out of a stock C5 Z06 is extremely rare......and not even worth mentioning when doing comparisons. Like you said...they are slightly faster to even with a standard base C6 Vette.....

newton22

Two of the big ones, as long as you don't blow the welds on the intake.

regor60

My read: evil +1 for reasonableness, MF 0 for defensiveness

dragonAMG

To answer your question Tony - An E55 K4 or RT Stage 5 will be every bit as fast as a stock C6 Z06. I've raced three here in Vegas; beat 1 by ~ 1 car length to 110mph, even with another, and lost to another on the freeway (from 80mph and started pulling me at about 120mph). I have absolutely no idea if they were modded C6 Z06 or not... I'm guessing that the first two were slightly modded and the third was probably heavily modded because when we shut it down at about 160mph he was about 5 cars in front.

Jrocket

5 cars? Thats a respectable ZO6!

jcjmw

Rudyrono, what launch procedure did you use in the video? You launched pretty good out the off and I was just curious. Thanks ahead for any response.

AdamG@NorCal

Ok guys,
Sorry for the off topic but I have a C6 coming to race next weekend.
Here's the updated list:

1) Javier: 2007 CL 600 (EuroElites modded)
2) Jesse: 2006 SLK 55 Renntech
3) Michael: 2006 E 55 (EuroElites modded)
4) Scott: 2006 SL 55 (EuroElites modded)
5) Ben: 2007 Porsche 997 Promotive,
2005 SL 65 Renntech
6) Juice: 2007 CLS 63
7) Tom: 2007 E 63 Powerchip
8) Calvin: 2006 CLS 55
9) Tony: 2006 BMW M5 (modded)
10) Dan: 2006 SLK 55
11) Zoink: 2006 E 55 (pending?)
12) Blueknight: 2004 E 55
13) Michael: 2008 BMW M6 (pending?)
14) Tan: 2006 BMW M5
15) Articfox: 2005 Porsche GT3
16) Hisham: 2006 Corvette C6
17) Ray: 2007 E 63
18) Lawrennce: 2006 BMW M5

Marcus Frost

My experience doesn't come from just my S4, it comes from a grocery list of modified cars, including my S4. My S4 ran a best of 12.2 @ 114mph (on ~95 octane) and ran with my friends e-gear Gallardo on the highway from 50-150. For a completely OTS kit with ZERO tweaks, that was damn fast for me. There are many, MANY stage 3 S4s that trap WAY lower than I do. My car had some issues at first but we sorted them out and I think my car made plenty of power especially not running as much boost as other people.

Sure man. Why don't you go back and read your post. You yourself have neither an E55 nor a Z06 and you stated your purpose on here was to disprove the "conception" that Z06s trap mid 120s and that 118 is a typical trap speed range for the Z06. Give me a break.

I've been around a LOT more E55s than you have. E55s have WAY more variance in trap speeds than Z06s, and E55s are much more consistent than Z06s in terms of getting them down the strip. It's possible a bolt-on E55 will trap 120-121 but it's still not as fast as my range - 123-127. It would take either a Z06 not launched right, or one of the slower Z06s to keep it in the game.

I'd also like to state that even my RENNTech'd SL600 has trouble with a Z06 on the highway. Depending who would hit it first would determine who would slightly pull. My SL has over 700ft/lbs of torque and over 600hp, and only weighed slightly more than the E55. So you want an anecdotal story, there's mine.

4) Ego with my S4? There is none of that....i am just stating facts of what I have seen from Z06's (at the track and on the streets with setup comparisons). Not pulling a timeslip from one part of the country and stating that a modded E55 has no chance. Period.......it's not too hard to understand that is it?[/QUOTE]

Do you even read what you are writing? If you put the average driver behind the wheel of a Z06 and E55 the E55 will win 50% of the time just because of the difficulty of driving the Z06. READ THE ORIGINAL POST. HE'S NOT ASKING FOR 1 RACE. He's talking about run with. He wants to run with an optimal Z06, not hope and pray for some guy who can't drive to trounce on. To run with a Z06 he needs to trap between 123 and 127mph (and remember, there are Z06s that trap higher). That IS NOT EASY WITH AN E55. THAT IS WHAT AM I SAYING. Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?

transferred

Rudyrono

Tranny set to "Sport", suspension set to comfort, left foot on brake, right foot covering the gas-no power braking! Rolled into the accelerator on "green." I think now, with the Sprint Booster, a lot of the "feathering" of the throttle will be reduced. I've done some practice launches on the street and it's awesome. I'm excited to get it to the track in the Fall. Too hot right now...and no, I'm not driving to Sacramento on the 16th!

Rudyrono

Josh, You're a beast!

BiTurboAmg

Well here is my .02 so take it for what it is. I raced a c6 z06 in my sl with my wife in the car and from a 30-40mph roll I walked away from him. Well I ran into another c6 z06 and of course was feeling pretty good beig I had beat one a few weeks back. So we line up and from a 40mph roll he jumps out and stays ahead and keeps pulling like nothing. We ran again from a roll and same results. So we stopped and ran from a dig and I was out by a fender until 80-100 then he just blew by. All that he has done to his car was an ecu tune and a K&N intake. We went to the dyno together and his car made 480whp and my car made 565whp on one dyno and 557whp on another. His car pulled on the sl by 2-3 cars very easy. My sl runs 1 sec faster and 13mph faster in the 1/4 then my e55 did. My e55 had headers, ecu, pulley and lsd. The car was fast but the sl walks away from it and a good driver in a z06 walks away from the sl. We took the z06 out and that thing is fast, I was shocked just how fast that car is.