Got new Shorty Headers
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I don't believe Phil went for the cats as he may have had a change of heart at the last minute. I'm the former owner of Phil's car and have gotten to know him rather well, he's a good guy and a man of his word for sure. If anything the guy's that got him involved with this product and or data may have fed him innacurate info whether intentional or not remains to be seen. Phil mentioned he has dealt with these folks before with great results. Hope this helps until Phil can answer.
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whoa buddy...i don't need to speak for chris and can't speak for the dyno shop but i don't take kindly to those kinds of accusations. you better rethink your statement unless you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise!
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I just got the before and after Dyno runs from installing Floored Fabrications short headers. Before Dyno = 427 RWP HP After installation 461 RWP HP. I'm going to have Victors TB installed tomorrow and hope for another 25 HP hopefully getting me to 486 RWP HP. I'll probably install a pulley and Dyno the setup again. Thanks Chiromikey and Chris!!!
WOW......that is high.....is that uncorrected......what kind of dyno?
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Dyno
The Dyno was run on a DynaPak which is a rear Hub mount where the rear tires are removed and the dyno is run directly attached to the rear hubs.
This is one of the reasons that this dyno is very accurate. As for the headers, The ports are all 1.75" versus the factory Manifolds at 1 5/8. This means that each port is 1/8 larger on these headers over the factory. Basically the other end of Victors TB enlargement! The total area 8 Cylinders at 1/8 equals a full inch larger flow volume versus the stock manifolds. More area equals more flow equals more power period!
This is one of the reasons that this dyno is very accurate. As for the headers, The ports are all 1.75" versus the factory Manifolds at 1 5/8. This means that each port is 1/8 larger on these headers over the factory. Basically the other end of Victors TB enlargement! The total area 8 Cylinders at 1/8 equals a full inch larger flow volume versus the stock manifolds. More area equals more flow equals more power period!
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No inaccuracy here!
I don't believe Phil went for the cats as he may have had a change of heart at the last minute. I'm the former owner of Phil's car and have gotten to know him rather well, he's a good guy and a man of his word for sure. If anything the guy's that got him involved with this product and or data may have fed him innacurate info whether intentional or not remains to be seen. Phil mentioned he has dealt with these folks before with great results. Hope this helps until Phil can answer.
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i don't care that you said "may" or you disguise it in an effert to "help out phil", if you're going to make bull**** accussations about people character based on your assumptions you better expect one of the "guys" you're accusing to take offense.
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lol...now i understand the level of person i'm dealing with so nothing further needs to be said and i certainly no longer need to defend myself to your poor assumptions or baseless accusations.
thanks for clearing that up.
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looks like you tried to delete that post before anyone could see what kind of character you're really made of. i'm glad i was able to quote it for you.
thanks for clearing that up.
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looks like you tried to delete that post before anyone could see what kind of character you're really made of. i'm glad i was able to quote it for you.
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wtf...don't give me that back off jack ****. my mother said that to me once...and ONLY ONCE!
i don't care that you said "may" or you disguise it in an effert to "help out phil", if you're going to make bull**** accussations about people character based on your assumptions you better expect one of the "guys" you're accusing to take offense.
i don't care that you said "may" or you disguise it in an effert to "help out phil", if you're going to make bull**** accussations about people character based on your assumptions you better expect one of the "guys" you're accusing to take offense.
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It's amazing you never bothered to put in the part where I said: "Phil mentioned he has dealt with these folks before with great results". "Hope this helps until Phil can answer." So once again F/U
You know "Jack", I don't give a rats *** about what you think and I don't give a rats *** about how much power these headers or fake headers (according to some here) do or don't make.
I'm done here so have the last word you sick F.
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that's the brightest decision you've made all night.
i don't care that people question his results, in fact i applaud it. i too am surprised...maybe even a bit skeptical. regardless there is absolutely no reason for anyone to claim or even suggest that i (or anyone involved) might be giving phil bad information. an accusation like that could only come from someone with extremely poor moral character, something in which you've gone out of your way to prove tonight.
as i said, because of who you've proven to be i no longer need to defend myself against your unfounded and clueless ramblings so i digress back to the original topic. if you have anything further you wish to say please pm me so that we don't have to subject the forum to this petty crap.
my apologies to the forum.
i don't care that people question his results, in fact i applaud it. i too am surprised...maybe even a bit skeptical. regardless there is absolutely no reason for anyone to claim or even suggest that i (or anyone involved) might be giving phil bad information. an accusation like that could only come from someone with extremely poor moral character, something in which you've gone out of your way to prove tonight.
as i said, because of who you've proven to be i no longer need to defend myself against your unfounded and clueless ramblings so i digress back to the original topic. if you have anything further you wish to say please pm me so that we don't have to subject the forum to this petty crap.
my apologies to the forum.
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I can see even on a high class car forum like this the internet wars still go on, lol. I use to moderate on maxima.org, those guy's where totaly out of control. I say who cares what anyone thinks, just be your self and be happy with it. With that said, flame on!!!
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NOTE: this has nuttin to do with this thread just thought id throw it out there.
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And getting back to the "headers"... the only thing they have got going for them is the bigger diameter primaries - thats it. This should result in better top end, but given the very similar design to the oem unit, it will only be at the very top end which is what we see from the dyno plot. What gets me is the delta can larger primaries give that much of an increase on their own ... ? I would really like to believe it, as I would then get these units asap, but for now remain sceptical. ~8% is some gain from larger primaries alone. Maybe these hit a sweet spot by keeping compression and allowing more top end flow ... who knows?
BTW that dyno with hub mounting should be very accurate in a delta calc so this is pretty interesting stuff...any more proof will be very welcome.
BTW that dyno with hub mounting should be very accurate in a delta calc so this is pretty interesting stuff...any more proof will be very welcome.
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And getting back to the "headers"... the only thing they have got going for them is the bigger diameter primaries - thats it. This should result in better top end, but given the very similar design to the oem unit, it will only be at the very top end which is what we see from the dyno plot. What gets me is the delta can larger primaries give that much of an increase on their own ... ? I would really like to believe it, as I would then get these units asap, but for now remain sceptical. ~8% is some gain from larger primaries alone. Maybe these hit a sweet spot by keeping compression and allowing more top end flow ... who knows?
BTW that dyno with hub mounting should be very accurate in a delta calc so this is pretty interesting stuff...any more proof will be very welcome.
BTW that dyno with hub mounting should be very accurate in a delta calc so this is pretty interesting stuff...any more proof will be very welcome.
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I think the reason for scepticism that you are seeing with regard to Dynapack has to do with how easy it is to manipulate. In addition to how it is measures the power.
I think the reason for scepticism that you are seeing with regard to Dynapack has to do with how easy it is to manipulate. In addition to how it is measures the power.