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Old 08-16-2007, 12:22 PM
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WARNING:BMW 5 series Fails crash tests

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070816/...h_tests_sedans


What happened to all the fabulous engineering that we constantly get told about. Do they only wrk on motors and suspensions.

I've always lauded Volvo and MB for their safety first approaches on all of their cars.


Obviously there is a potential for major fatalities owning this Luxury sedan(5 series). SUV or something gets you at 31mph you are through.
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The 2007 E350 did not do fare much better than the bmw in the end. Both cars are getting a bit old in the market so their crash protection will likely reduce with respect to the new offerings from other manufactures.

Although I would take the MB over the bmw if I had to get slammed into by a large truck!
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Motherf@#$* I just got an '08 5 series....

OK... time to put lots of pillows on the side.
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lol u better sell that POS bimmer asap bro...
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
The 2007 E350 did not do fare much better than the bmw in the end. Both cars are getting a bit old in the market so their crash protection will likely reduce with respect to the new offerings from other manufactures.

Although I would take the MB over the bmw if I had to get slammed into by a large truck!

What are you talking about, the article said that the E class earned the second highest crash rating. Also, i can attest to the the E in terms of an accident as i was just involved in one. The E is a tank.
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i'd like to be happy and mock all the 5-series owners for not listening to us and buying the wrong car....


... but this is a serious matter, and i would have thought BMW would have taken safety aspects more seriously...
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they said the problem was the center armrest and depending on the drivers position could cause harm the institute said the structure was solid.
Old 08-16-2007, 06:07 PM
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My car doesn't even have that armrest, so I'm not exactly pissing my pants at the moment.
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I lost interest after the words "by the insurance industry".

Why would they make up new tests? There are standardized tests that all cars have to pass.

What a joke.
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i'd like to be happy and mock all the 5-series owners for not listening to us and buying the wrong car....
Shut up you!!! If I bought the car long before this news, I would've cared less.... but I just bought it 3 weeks ago. I know I should've spent the money for a used E55 wagon instead.... or may be a KIA Amanti. LOL.

Originally Posted by narf
... but this is a serious matter, and i would have thought BMW would have taken safety aspects more seriously...
I hope there is a recall.... like replacing the entire car

Damn man.... This gives me some ill feeling.
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Originally Posted by MiamiE55
What are you talking about, the article said that the E class earned the second highest crash rating. Also, i can attest to the the E in terms of an accident as i was just involved in one. The E is a tank.
second that. a tank. t-boned in an intersection at good rate speed and walked away a-okay. godspeed.
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they said the problem was the center armrest and depending on the drivers position could cause harm the institute said the structure was solid.
That's no excuse drivers position or not! BMW needs to address the problem and that's what the BMW engineer should have stated. The airbags also reported poorly according to the institute.
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um dude, do a search. The 07 e-class did VERY poor in crash tests, compared to the 06.

https://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w211/169390-what-did-mb-do-07-e-class.html

Searched for you.

Here is a quote incase you are too lazy to link to it.
"The Mercedes E class was re-engineered for the 2007 model year with an emphasis on improving occupant protection in side impact crashes."
-For a large, expensive Mercedes, this is somewhat un-acceptable. It placed much lower than the A6, GS, M35/45, ES350, and TL. The base Chevrolet Malibu, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, VW Rabbit, Subaru Impreza and Honda Civic did BETTER. It was on-par with the Chevrolet Cobalt.
Pretty embarassing for Mercedes. And they actually tried to improve side-impact performance for 2007...
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Originally Posted by tscales
I lost interest after the words "by the insurance industry".

Why would they make up new tests? There are standardized tests that all cars have to pass.

What a joke.
Its not a joke, IIHS supplements the standardized crash test to give a better assessment of vehicle safety.

For example, IIHS studied the offset frontal crash test and full frontal crash tests; whereas the standardized DOT test only looks at full frontal crash tests. Guess what? both types of crashes occur in the real world.

Since the offset frontal crash tests have been studied by IIHS, vehicle manufacturers in the US use the offset frontal test when designing the vehicles safety.

This side impact testing is also bringing forth an issue that the standardized tests have not considered: bumper height, particularly of trucks and suv's. So again, this study supplements the standardized testing.

All these testing by IIHS gets the attention of the manufacturers and the they in turn try to create better vehicles because of these studies.

I am glad there is an orgainzation that looks at these issues and brings them to everyone's attention.

I humbly suggest to look at these tests with an open/unbiased mind. Peruse the IIHS website http://www.iihs.org/ratings/side_test_info.html and if you need hard data their only a phone call away.



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Originally Posted by MiamiE55
What are you talking about, the article said that the E class earned the second highest crash rating. Also, i can attest to the the E in terms of an accident as i was just involved in one. The E is a tank.
Not sure about you but a broken pelvis, cracked ribs and possible internal injuries does not sound to good. I drive a W211 so I know its a solid car (well 2 W211's really) but the test showed risk of serious injuries in a side impact.

The cars above it in the ranking classification had little to no risk of injury.

I have been seen extremely serious impacts and the car is very solid dont get me wrong but as a car gets older its safety relative to cars designed 6 years later falls. Thats just a fact of evolution.

Maybe I should post links to the IIHS test results.

Class Ranking for Large Luxury Vehicles:
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=10

E-Class W211 2007 side impact review (note changes have been made for late 2007 that make it safer and these tests represent those upgrades. From the IIHS testing the changes made no real change in side impact safety):
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=703

-- so the car had a marginal rating for the torso and an acceptable rating for the pelvis and legs. The cars ranked above such as the Audi A6, S80 Volvo, Lexus GS, Infinity M35/M45 all were designed after the W211. But I am sure the W212 will be safer than all the class leaders in a few years time.

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I know you guys don't like BMWs, but the level of hype here is ridiculous. That said I too have always put Volvo and MB over BMW in safety. If you remember BMW was very late to the safety party.

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Originally Posted by Germancar1
I know you guys don't like BMWs, but the level of hype here is ridiculous. That said I too have always put Volvo and MB over BMW in safety. If you remember BMW was very late to the safety party.

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its not i dont like bmw's... its just your gay, insignificant and show poor taste interested in such an ugly car... j/k!!!
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its not i dont like bmw's... its just your gay, insignificant and show poor taste interested in such an ugly car... j/k!!!
Oooh don't let the bimmer owner see this.

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I know you guys don't like BMWs, but the level of hype here is ridiculous. That said I too have always put Volvo and MB over BMW in safety. If you remember BMW was very late to the safety party.

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That's kinda general because I own TWO E36 BMW's. M3 and an M332i
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yeah...but it still handles better then any MB car out...lol...
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BMW does not need a very good crash protection because they handle so much better to avoid a crash to begin with
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E39 & E34 > E60 Definitely don't build 'em like they used to.

If you have an E60 just drive with no seatbelts. If anything you'll get lucky and be ejected from the car like a kid flicking a booger.

E-Class > 5-Series. Unless you like to be able to feel the road when you're driving.

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