2003 S55 is $106k - so E55 may be...
10-24-2002, 01:46 PM
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2003 S55 is $106k - so E55 may be...
Who Knows? The 2003 S55 with 493HP base price is $106,500 usd. The 2002 S55 was $99,500 usd. That is a $6k increase which is about a 6.54% increase.
If the E55 increases 6.54% from the 2002 E55 Base of $71,350 that would be around $76k.
For all you US and non US "price haters" who did not think that MBUSA would put a supercharger and that much HP in these cars and hold the price down you owe many apologies?
Supercharged 5.5 liters with 493Hp, 516ftlb torque for only $6,000 more - what a bargain! Really makes those Kleemann and RennTech, etc. supercharger upgrades seem outrageously high doesn't it?
Now I am upset with MBUSA for delaying the E55k until 2004 with the release of the the 2003 S55. That makes no sense!
If the E55 increases 6.54% from the 2002 E55 Base of $71,350 that would be around $76k.
For all you US and non US "price haters" who did not think that MBUSA would put a supercharger and that much HP in these cars and hold the price down you owe many apologies?
Supercharged 5.5 liters with 493Hp, 516ftlb torque for only $6,000 more - what a bargain! Really makes those Kleemann and RennTech, etc. supercharger upgrades seem outrageously high doesn't it?Now I am upset with MBUSA for delaying the E55k until 2004 with the release of the the 2003 S55. That makes no sense!
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10-24-2002, 02:47 PM
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I distinctly remember you arguing long and hard that a 1-1.5% increase in price was the maximum....
Exactly who owes who an apology?
I distinctly remember you arguing long and hard that a 1-1.5% increase in price was the maximum....
For all you US and non US "price haters" who did not think that MBUSA would put a supercharger and that much HP in these cars and hold the price down you owe many apologies?
10-24-2002, 05:19 PM
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Where is your proposed 15% increase on these AMG's?
Originally posted by stephens
E55 Kev
I distinctly remember you arguing long and hard that a 1-1.5% increase in price was the maximum....
Exactly who owes who an apology?
E55 Kev
I distinctly remember you arguing long and hard that a 1-1.5% increase in price was the maximum....
Exactly who owes who an apology?
The haters were saying the increase would be $15,000 and 15% because of adding a supercharger. I have been guessing $74k for 6 months - and each time myself or others posted a guess in the mid $70k you kept replying "you are dreaming". You started off saying $15k, 15% and $85k base price and then backed down.
I have been guessing $74k for 6 months and I am still sticking with that. That 6% increase for the S55 is not concrete evidence on the E55's final price - but it lets the haters no that the Bull****ze guessing of a $15k or 15% increase or a $85k base price is really not-intelligent for any reasonable speculation based on statistics, data or facts.
REMEMBER - WE ARE STILL ONLY GUESSING!
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10-24-2002, 06:25 PM
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I would guess that the car is have a base at $75k - $76k if it follows the increase of the CL55. It went from $104k to $114k, that about an 10% increase in price. So, all we can really tell from the other car's increase in price is that no one knows for sure until the people at MBUSA let us in on the secret!!!:p :p
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Porsche Turbo Stage 4, Cayenne S ... gone C43, C32, ML55 & Ducati 999.
besides, the W211 is I guess a 6% more expensive than W210, 
thus you may expect an easy 10% more from the W210 E55.
thus you may expect an easy 10% more from the W210 E55.
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10-26-2002, 05:23 AM
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You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K. You then rediculed all comers, particularly me, that suggested that this was possibly wrong because the prices had increased by 10-15% in four separate countries that had released E55 prices. This being a price increase on the E55 only, not other models in the range.
I stated the price would be between 75-85K and specifically quoted 77K plus on road costs.
All of this is contained in the previous posts and is not subject to conjecture. You can say what you want now but you can't change what was WRITTEN.
You may still be proven to be right. I seriously hope you are, I am not a Daimler Chrysler shareholder, the cheaper the price for customers worldwide the better. If you are wrong however I will be dragging every one of your arrogant posts out and watch as you feast on humble pie.
You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K. You then rediculed all comers, particularly me, that suggested that this was possibly wrong because the prices had increased by 10-15% in four separate countries that had released E55 prices. This being a price increase on the E55 only, not other models in the range.
I stated the price would be between 75-85K and specifically quoted 77K plus on road costs.
All of this is contained in the previous posts and is not subject to conjecture. You can say what you want now but you can't change what was WRITTEN.
You may still be proven to be right. I seriously hope you are, I am not a Daimler Chrysler shareholder, the cheaper the price for customers worldwide the better. If you are wrong however I will be dragging every one of your arrogant posts out and watch as you feast on humble pie.
10-26-2002, 10:50 AM
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I JUST SPOKE TO MY DEALER -- e55 DUE SUMMER 2003
My dealer (Manahattan MB -- A factory store) said to expect the E55 in Summer 2003 -- He also said that because the E55 is produced in larger quantities and is seen as the most relevant showroom draw for MB's biggest sellers -- the E500 and E320 -- that the increase will NOT be as large as between the CL55/S55 of old and the new supercharged ones.
He said expect a $3-4k incease but with more standard features than before so there would be actually less of an increase on a direct comparison basis.
I am Number 3 on the list -- can't wait.
He said expect a $3-4k incease but with more standard features than before so there would be actually less of an increase on a direct comparison basis.
I am Number 3 on the list -- can't wait.
10-26-2002, 12:40 PM
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A few of my friends in EU have the SC'd E55 already. They paid anywhere from 88K to 98K Euro for the cars, depending on options. I cross checked the price structure against my own E500 which set me back 64K USD, a similar spec vehicle would have been 61K Euro.
Limited production and availability will keep KLEEMANN, RennTech and the rest in business, not to mention tuning the SC'd and Bi-Turbo cars.
Limited production and availability will keep KLEEMANN, RennTech and the rest in business, not to mention tuning the SC'd and Bi-Turbo cars.
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Originally posted by KLEEMANN
A few of my friends in EU have the SC'd E55 already. They paid anywhere from 88K to 98K Euro for the cars, depending on options. I cross checked the price structure against my own E500 which set me back 64K USD, a similar spec vehicle would have been 61K Euro.
Limited production and availability will keep KLEEMANN, RennTech and the rest in business, not to mention tuning the SC'd and Bi-Turbo cars.
A few of my friends in EU have the SC'd E55 already. They paid anywhere from 88K to 98K Euro for the cars, depending on options. I cross checked the price structure against my own E500 which set me back 64K USD, a similar spec vehicle would have been 61K Euro.
Limited production and availability will keep KLEEMANN, RennTech and the rest in business, not to mention tuning the SC'd and Bi-Turbo cars.
10-28-2002, 09:08 AM
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SHOW ME WHEN I SAID THE E55 WOULD INCREASE 1.5% OR SHUTUP!
Originally posted by stephens
E55 Kev
You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K.
You may still be proven to be right.
E55 Kev
You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K.
You may still be proven to be right.
Stephens, here is your post October 03, 2002 saying the increase would be 15% and then later you back down to $77k:
Originally posted by stephens
Guys
Look at this logically, all other countries pricing whose pricing is released show an increase on the outgoing model of around 15%.
MB is keeping pricing of the new E very similar to old, however, E55 now has EBC, Air suspension and supercharger. You would have to factor in 10K for the supercharger install alone.
Guys
Look at this logically, all other countries pricing whose pricing is released show an increase on the outgoing model of around 15%.
MB is keeping pricing of the new E very similar to old, however, E55 now has EBC, Air suspension and supercharger. You would have to factor in 10K for the supercharger install alone.
Originally posted by stephens
Based on this and the fact that a MB owned dealerships advice three months ago that worldwide pricing on E55 was going to increase by around 15% (which as it turned out for NZ, Aust and Europe was correct), you can expect the same in the USA.
This has nothing to do with taxes tariffs etc, it is about comparative price increases.
Based on this and the fact that a MB owned dealerships advice three months ago that worldwide pricing on E55 was going to increase by around 15% (which as it turned out for NZ, Aust and Europe was correct), you can expect the same in the USA.
This has nothing to do with taxes tariffs etc, it is about comparative price increases.
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10-28-2002, 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by stephens
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You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K.
E55 Kev
You are full of it. You stated that the price increase was going to be 1-1.5% equating to a price of 73K later conceding that it may be as much as 74K.
when you started out saying the US E55 would be $85k and then you backed down to $77. That is a $8k drop in you guess and your think you have won this debate over my $1k difference? I DON'T BELEVIE IT!
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10-28-2002, 01:01 PM
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No Kev
I'm not arguing about a 1K price difference, but it's like your latest post of $72,500 where the author says the car will be around about 72500-75000. ie he has no idea and is guessing, yet you post that the article has stated 72,500 is the price.
You have been estimating that the base price, no taxes etc for the E55 will be under 74K.
I have been saying the car will be around 77k plus taxes etc.ie around 82K.
Here is what you had to say:
"I have been guessing the 2004 E55 will be close to the outgoing but I am talking about 'base price' around $73k. I don't think the following options will be standard:
Base Price $73995 (my guess)
Navigation $2500 (estimate)
V60 phone with VR $1995
Panarama Roof $1500
Distronic $2950
Keyless Go $1015
Dynamic Seats $1150
Bi-Xenon Lights $900
HK stereo $700
Tire Monitors $625
CD changer $400
Rear Sunshade $440
Gas Guzzler $2100 (same as SL55)
All that equals $92,230
It appears that the new Mercedes policy is reasonable base prices and then they will price you to death with options."
Kev, according to your own info the base price of the E55 will be $78K plus gas guzzler and any other taxes. DVD Nav, Bi Xenon, In dash CD and sunroof are part of standard package as per E500, or around $82K on road inc gas guzzler and luxury car tax.
mnh offered the following:
"Just to add to the pricing debate:
In New Zealand the recommended retail price is $225,000, which is equivalent to $US105,750. Unlike Australia we do not have a luxury tax.
The spec for this price comprises:
Rain sensor
Parktronic
Rear side airbags
Nokia mobile phone (382)
Moon roof (414)
Comand with DVD navigation
CD changer
I don't know how this works back to a base price in US dollars but it would be interesting to know.
If all the items above are options on the USA E55 the base price would be $US94,410. Still expensive, but not as bad as Australia and after claiming back the majority of the 12.5% GST for business use, the base price comes back to somewhere around $US84,000."
Your response was:
"Damn! when will the madness Stop? Now we have a New Zealander saying the US E55 will 'base price' at $84/94k! What is it going to take to get you island guys to stop making erroneus guesses about the price of cars in the US? Jeez!"
Again if you look closely mnh was suggesting that the car would be cheaper than you have previously indicated, but you blow him off as being an idiot.
In later posts you argue that talk of E55's being $90K plus with options as being rediculous.
I specifically quoted 75K-85K and clarified on road pricing and standard options when you were talking about a 72K price. Do not mix and match different posts and people.
And finally:
"The last holdout on the price of the US E55 is 'stephens' from Australia. Quite frankly, the debate should not concern him because he is an Aussie and the topic/debate is for Yanks. "
What an arrogant jerk!
You talk about being a logical gentleman, but actions speak louder than words Kev.
I'm not arguing about a 1K price difference, but it's like your latest post of $72,500 where the author says the car will be around about 72500-75000. ie he has no idea and is guessing, yet you post that the article has stated 72,500 is the price.
You have been estimating that the base price, no taxes etc for the E55 will be under 74K.
I have been saying the car will be around 77k plus taxes etc.ie around 82K.
Here is what you had to say:
"I have been guessing the 2004 E55 will be close to the outgoing but I am talking about 'base price' around $73k. I don't think the following options will be standard:
Base Price $73995 (my guess)
Navigation $2500 (estimate)
V60 phone with VR $1995
Panarama Roof $1500
Distronic $2950
Keyless Go $1015
Dynamic Seats $1150
Bi-Xenon Lights $900
HK stereo $700
Tire Monitors $625
CD changer $400
Rear Sunshade $440
Gas Guzzler $2100 (same as SL55)
All that equals $92,230
It appears that the new Mercedes policy is reasonable base prices and then they will price you to death with options."
Kev, according to your own info the base price of the E55 will be $78K plus gas guzzler and any other taxes. DVD Nav, Bi Xenon, In dash CD and sunroof are part of standard package as per E500, or around $82K on road inc gas guzzler and luxury car tax.
mnh offered the following:
"Just to add to the pricing debate:
In New Zealand the recommended retail price is $225,000, which is equivalent to $US105,750. Unlike Australia we do not have a luxury tax.
The spec for this price comprises:
Rain sensor
Parktronic
Rear side airbags
Nokia mobile phone (382)
Moon roof (414)
Comand with DVD navigation
CD changer
I don't know how this works back to a base price in US dollars but it would be interesting to know.
If all the items above are options on the USA E55 the base price would be $US94,410. Still expensive, but not as bad as Australia and after claiming back the majority of the 12.5% GST for business use, the base price comes back to somewhere around $US84,000."
Your response was:
"Damn! when will the madness Stop? Now we have a New Zealander saying the US E55 will 'base price' at $84/94k! What is it going to take to get you island guys to stop making erroneus guesses about the price of cars in the US? Jeez!"
Again if you look closely mnh was suggesting that the car would be cheaper than you have previously indicated, but you blow him off as being an idiot.
In later posts you argue that talk of E55's being $90K plus with options as being rediculous.
I specifically quoted 75K-85K and clarified on road pricing and standard options when you were talking about a 72K price. Do not mix and match different posts and people.
And finally:
"The last holdout on the price of the US E55 is 'stephens' from Australia. Quite frankly, the debate should not concern him because he is an Aussie and the topic/debate is for Yanks. "
What an arrogant jerk!
You talk about being a logical gentleman, but actions speak louder than words Kev.
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You stated time and again that the price increase was going to be 1.5% because of previous price increases in the US.
I do not back down from my statement that there is going to be a price increase of around 15%. Sure it may be less than this for US Marketing reasons but it is not going to be 1.5%.
I do not back down from my statement that there is going to be a price increase of around 15%. Sure it may be less than this for US Marketing reasons but it is not going to be 1.5%.
10-28-2002, 02:23 PM
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2nd time I asked you to show me or shutup!
Originally posted by stephens
You stated time and again that the price increase was going to be 1.5% because of previous price increases in the US.
I do not back down from my statement that there is going to be a price increase of around 15%. Sure it may be less than this for US Marketing reasons but it is not going to be 1.5%.
You stated time and again that the price increase was going to be 1.5% because of previous price increases in the US.
I do not back down from my statement that there is going to be a price increase of around 15%. Sure it may be less than this for US Marketing reasons but it is not going to be 1.5%.
Hey a 1.5% price increase sounds good too. 2002 E55 - $72k plus 1.5% equals $73,080. Hmmm, that price falls in the range of $72,500 - $75,000. That sound good to me, glad E55 don't cost $121,500! as they do in Australia.
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Don't pick one issue which is irrelevant to the post in your answer. Where have I said that I didn't say a price increase of around 15%?
How about addressing the other points.
Don't pick one issue which is irrelevant to the post in your answer. Where have I said that I didn't say a price increase of around 15%?
How about addressing the other points.
10-28-2002, 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Kev
Don't pick one issue which is irrelevant to the post in your answer. Where have I said that I didn't say a price increase of around 15%?
How about addressing the other points.
Kev
Don't pick one issue which is irrelevant to the post in your answer. Where have I said that I didn't say a price increase of around 15%?
How about addressing the other points.
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The 2003 prices (Speculated 1.5% increace):
S500 $81,400
S430 $72,900
E55 $72,400
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
S500 $81,400
S430 $72,900
E55 $72,400
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
10-28-2002, 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
The 2003 prices (Speculated 1.5% increace):
S500 $81,400
S430 $72,900
E55 $72,400
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
The 2003 prices (Speculated 1.5% increace):
S500 $81,400
S430 $72,900
E55 $72,400
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
What point do you want addressed? You have still not found where I posted the increase would only be 1.5%? That is the 4th time I have asked you for that quote. Give it up!
10-28-2002, 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
Once again journalist estimated $72500 -75000 NOT a price of $72500.
You still have not addressed any of the points in my post.
The US E55 without COMAND $72,500
The US E55 Without COMAND $75,000
