New Custom Front Mount IC HE (2003 E55)
10-31-2007, 11:26 PM
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he will make it work..
$699 for IC HE
$100 for Johnson pump *Ebay
3 hours of total install.. around $1100 (just my guess)
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10-31-2007, 11:47 PM
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So I had a chance to look at a newer E55 this afternoon.
My current unit will not fit. I have a few options.
1. Make a the unit the same height as the stock unit, 5". Then the stock oil cooler can remain underneath. It will still have more surface area because of its length, plus the better core, aluminum construction, etc...
2. Add an integrated oil cooler. I like this idea a lot. But in the end, the heat exchanger would still be shorter like the first option. The difference being, you get a real nice oil cooler. I would adapt the oil cooler to bolt right up to the stock oil cooler lines, which would make it a simple install.
3. See if I can relocate the oil cooler in front or behind the larger heat exchanger. The stock oil cooler is only 1.5" deep, so it may be possible. I will have another unit built, and test fit it to see if I can do this. Obviously this would be ideal because you get the larger size HE. The stock oil cooler is just bolted on the bottom of the HE. There is some play in the hoses, so moving it forward or aft looks feasible. To be honest, if I can move the unit forward or back, I would consider building a better oil cooler anyway that can be used that would bolt right up to the stock lines.
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My current unit will not fit. I have a few options.
1. Make a the unit the same height as the stock unit, 5". Then the stock oil cooler can remain underneath. It will still have more surface area because of its length, plus the better core, aluminum construction, etc...
2. Add an integrated oil cooler. I like this idea a lot. But in the end, the heat exchanger would still be shorter like the first option. The difference being, you get a real nice oil cooler. I would adapt the oil cooler to bolt right up to the stock oil cooler lines, which would make it a simple install.
3. See if I can relocate the oil cooler in front or behind the larger heat exchanger. The stock oil cooler is only 1.5" deep, so it may be possible. I will have another unit built, and test fit it to see if I can do this. Obviously this would be ideal because you get the larger size HE. The stock oil cooler is just bolted on the bottom of the HE. There is some play in the hoses, so moving it forward or aft looks feasible. To be honest, if I can move the unit forward or back, I would consider building a better oil cooler anyway that can be used that would bolt right up to the stock lines.
Any thoughts?
11-01-2007, 10:45 AM
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I like option #2, but have you also considered making a better quality primary oil cooler too? The one with the Spal fan attached to it. It looks like there's potential for improvement the so maybe while you're at it...
You can see the main oil cooler with the fan on the left and the auxillary unit below the stock HE.
You can see the main oil cooler with the fan on the left and the auxillary unit below the stock HE.
11-01-2007, 03:14 PM
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Brandon,
I would go for option 1.. to keep prices down.
If the 04's + E55 can go from 28 oz of fluid to around 60 oz.. it would still be ideal.
Maybe they won't be able to fit a 80oz FMIC like the 03's.. but any relief to IAT at that price is worth it.
once you have a system up and running.. we can do some IAT's testing between an ASP 03 E55 and 04+ e55 with pulley.
let me know if you need to set up some time with my mechanic.
I would go for option 1.. to keep prices down.
If the 04's + E55 can go from 28 oz of fluid to around 60 oz.. it would still be ideal.
Maybe they won't be able to fit a 80oz FMIC like the 03's.. but any relief to IAT at that price is worth it.
once you have a system up and running.. we can do some IAT's testing between an ASP 03 E55 and 04+ e55 with pulley.
let me know if you need to set up some time with my mechanic.
11-01-2007, 03:15 PM
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I like option #2, but have you also considered making a better quality primary oil cooler too? The one with the Spal fan attached to it. It looks like there's potential for improvement the so maybe while you're at it... You can see the main oil cooler with the fan on the left and the auxillary unit below the stock HE.
You can see the main oil cooler with the fan on the left and the auxillary unit below the stock HE.
11-01-2007, 04:07 PM
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Brandon,
I would go for option 1.. to keep prices down.
If the 04's + E55 can go from 28 oz of fluid to around 60 oz.. it would still be ideal.
Maybe they won't be able to fit a 80oz FMIC like the 03's.. but any relief to IAT at that price is worth it.
once you have a system up and running.. we can do some IAT's testing between an ASP 03 E55 and 04+ e55 with pulley.
let me know if you need to set up some time with my mechanic.
I would go for option 1.. to keep prices down.
If the 04's + E55 can go from 28 oz of fluid to around 60 oz.. it would still be ideal.
Maybe they won't be able to fit a 80oz FMIC like the 03's.. but any relief to IAT at that price is worth it.
once you have a system up and running.. we can do some IAT's testing between an ASP 03 E55 and 04+ e55 with pulley.
let me know if you need to set up some time with my mechanic.
Not all people are looking to build a drag monster. Some may just need a decent improvement over stock at an affordable price. I say option 1. Keep it clean and simple.
11-01-2007, 04:25 PM
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Option #1 will be a piece of cake, as I can build those right now. The way you buy IC core is by length, and you cut the height to your application. So I can just cut them down. I took pictures and measurements on my trip yesterday, so I can add an attachment point for the oil cooler on the bottom.
This is what I am going to test though. I am going to build a regular sized unit, and see if I can move the oil cooler behind it. I already move the unit forward, and I think this will work. That way, everyone gets the larger sized unit, regardless of the year. If its too tight, or doesn't fit, I will go with the other options.
I bought the fitting that goes into the end of the oil cooler. That way if I decide to go that route, or build it in addition to the other unit, it will be a direct bolt in affair. No changing lines out, or anything major.
This is what I am going to test though. I am going to build a regular sized unit, and see if I can move the oil cooler behind it. I already move the unit forward, and I think this will work. That way, everyone gets the larger sized unit, regardless of the year. If its too tight, or doesn't fit, I will go with the other options.
I bought the fitting that goes into the end of the oil cooler. That way if I decide to go that route, or build it in addition to the other unit, it will be a direct bolt in affair. No changing lines out, or anything major.
11-01-2007, 05:06 PM
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Can I order it now????
Some of us live in a climate that is a litter warmer than Affalterbach, and we get stuck in traffic too. Anything we can do to avoid the "heat-soak issue" is a move in the right direction. This is a must have mod with any performance pulley. This is the first IC kit that I have seen with a realistic price, Good work Brandon
11-16-2007, 04:31 AM
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This all sounds great...so I just have to replace the stock HE and all the stock lines, reservoir, and recently replaced stock upgraded IC pump from MB will all still be used?
11-16-2007, 06:27 AM
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if i had an 04+ E55 i would like to get the biggest possible HE, so be it if its a few hundred dollars more for a new oil cooler, that just means i get a better oil cooler too!
11-19-2007, 03:40 PM
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I just wanted to update this thread. The 04+ E55 unit is here. I built a smaller unit with brackets for the oil cooler. I also angled the end tanks for better flow. Its a beauty 
Even though its shorter then the 03 unit we built, it only has two less passages. I just checked the fluid capacity, and its 64oz! That still holds 36oz more than stock, a 128.5% increase. Plus, with smaller end tanks, we are forcing more fluid into the passages to be constantly cooled.
I will know tomorrow whether we will offer the larger unit to everyone or not. I think it will be possible. There is enough room to move the HE forward, and have the oil cooler sit behind it. Ultimately, shorter or taller, everyone will be very happy.
Here is the unit. Production units have the inlet/outlet welded on the inside. Also the final bracket is not pictured, just extensions.
Even though its shorter then the 03 unit we built, it only has two less passages. I just checked the fluid capacity, and its 64oz! That still holds 36oz more than stock, a 128.5% increase. Plus, with smaller end tanks, we are forcing more fluid into the passages to be constantly cooled.I will know tomorrow whether we will offer the larger unit to everyone or not. I think it will be possible. There is enough room to move the HE forward, and have the oil cooler sit behind it. Ultimately, shorter or taller, everyone will be very happy.
Here is the unit. Production units have the inlet/outlet welded on the inside. Also the final bracket is not pictured, just extensions.
11-20-2007, 02:46 PM
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Will do. We are going to run some tonight on an E55 that has ASP pullies. Just my heat exchanger and the Johnson pump. Just like your setup
11-21-2007, 05:12 PM
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I will post a new thread this evening. Here are some teaser pictures Datalogging numbers were very good, especially considering he is using the stock pump. Well, it looks like I have a solution for everyone now
Datalogging numbers were very good, especially considering he is using the stock pump. Well, it looks like I have a solution for everyone now
11-22-2007, 12:31 AM
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if so what was the drop recorded in temps
?p.s the HE looks wicked!
11-22-2007, 12:40 PM
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are you saying that it will work on 04's and up? did you move the aux oil cooler behind the heat exchanger, any pics of it mounted with the oil cooler sitting behind it
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Brandon made the HE a bit smaller.. only around 16 oz smaller.. (coke can)
no big difference there..
buts its still holds 130%+/- more volume than stock and its more efficient
he is going to try to use the 80 oz HE.. with the 04's... but no need to wait for an extra 16 oz.
but for now... 04's have this option.... which is plug and play.
and can't beat the price.
no big difference there..
buts its still holds 130%+/- more volume than stock and its more efficient
he is going to try to use the 80 oz HE.. with the 04's... but no need to wait for an extra 16 oz.
but for now... 04's have this option.... which is plug and play.
and can't beat the price.
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We are going to make all the E55 Heat Exchangers the same size, the smaller 64oz version. If someone with an 03 really wants the larger one, I am sure I can build a special one since we already have the dimensions. But for ease of manufacturing, all will be the same size. They will use the stock oil cooler brackets for the 04+ E55s. I am still going to build a unit with an integrated oil cooler so I can do some testing, as there were requests for this. The oil cooler is mounted exactly where it is stock. In the pictures above, you just cant see it as its below the HE. That is an 05 E55.
As far as what a heat exchanger can do for you. Your IATs skyrocket when you go WOT. A better heat exchanger will keep those temps down during the run, which translates to more power since less timing is pulled. It also helps the car recover faster by bringing down those temps quickly, and not allow the engine to heatsoak. You can run back to back to back runs, and the car will feel just as strong.
I will post an ad this weekend for sure. I am just finalizing a few things.
As far as what a heat exchanger can do for you. Your IATs skyrocket when you go WOT. A better heat exchanger will keep those temps down during the run, which translates to more power since less timing is pulled. It also helps the car recover faster by bringing down those temps quickly, and not allow the engine to heatsoak. You can run back to back to back runs, and the car will feel just as strong.
I will post an ad this weekend for sure. I am just finalizing a few things.
