The bimmer X6 will it seems be the first bimmer with that new 4.4 liter twin-turbo V-8 bimmer has been saying they will release, now they are by this summer. After that they will obviously put it in their 5 series, 6 series, 7 series, and X5 cars. The engine has 400 HP and 450 lb/ft of torque. Vishnu will definitely come out with a quick ECU software upgrade that will most likely put it up over 500 HP and 550 or closer to 600 lb/ft of torque for probably around $2,000. It looks like this new engine will take the place of the engine that goes into bimmers current cars like the 550i, 750Li, 650i, etc..

This is just more evidence that for sure Benz knows they have to quickly upgrade their 550 engine like all the rumors have said they would. 382 HP and 391 lb/ft of torque just won't do it now it seems. With direct injection and some ECU upgrades what do you guys think benz can get the power to? 430 HP? 440 HP? Torque will need to go up alot also.

This is also further evidence that bimmer knows that with a sofware upgrade their new twin-turbo V-8 will keep up with their M5/M6 for sure, so they have to install twin-turbo's on their V-10 for sure now. Audi has already done it, and AMG had better for sure have their twin-turbo 6.3 liter V-8 ready soon, too.

It only makes sense now that BMW will probably have an all-new direct injection twin-turbo V-12 (maybe 5.4 or 6.0 liters?) engine ready for their new upcoming 8 series, new Z9 (which will be the SL competitor), and most likely as a top of the line choice for the all-new 7 series coming out in a year or so. The ante keeps being upped, but that's good for us consumers though ...

Link to article and pics below:

http://www.autospies.com/news/Has-Th...-Market-24392/

 

Some food for thought guys:

Question: How would a non-M 5 series with this new twin-turbo V-8 and a Vishnu ECU upgrade fair against an E63?

AMG and Benz need to go twin-turbo on alot more models from now on .....

Benz already designed a tri-turbo V-8 for the SL, it was called I think the SL 420 CDI (Diesel engine).

That would be so bad-a** if they could have tri-turbo's on most of their models including the AMG's. Imagine a 6.9 or 7.4 liter 48-Valve direct-injection V-12 with three turbo's from AMG!!! That would be unbelievable ...

How cool of a badge on the side of the car would that be! "Tri-Turbo V-12"

 

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AMG V8 turbo to be announced soon.

Watch and see.

 

They could have 1000 horsepower and I wouldn't buy one. They're UGLY!

This from a dedicated BMW fan (540, 328, M3). I drove them for years and crossed the river to Mercedes once my E93 540 started aging.

 

Thats great news! A 6 series with a V8 Twin Turbo would be pretty badass. We've all seen how tunable the BMW V6TT is, imagine their V8TT?

 

Yes, Vishnu will certainly pump more power out of this engine ASAP and for a reasonable cost.

As to altering the motors in the M cars, it will probably not happen. Lust like AMG is not likely to put a manual in an AMG car for the general public.

The 335 and 135 with a tune are already likely to keep up with or outperform the new V8 M3 which came after them. Not to mention the M version of the 135 will not be as quick as a tuned 135.

This poses an interesting problem for them.

Audi finally went back to forced induction to reclaim all the customers that they lost when they went away from it and lost their tunability so the modders went elsewhere or kept their older turbo cars. Just like many E55K owners are keeping their cars.

I will point out 2 things....

1. "We" are only a very small portion of the market as the majority of these cars are sold to people that will not tune them.

2. I think forced induction will push towards maintaining slightly better or the same fuel economy but with more power. This is now an important aspect in today's HP wars.

It really will be interesting to see where things go!

 

they should put this motor in the new M3..... the regular 5 series with a twin turbo v8 motor will have a lot more torque than the M5, and might outrun it when chipped and boosted.....

 

i started a similar thread and getting flamed for being a hater...

a 5series with 4.4v8tt would kill sales of the M5, E63, no doubt about it.

 

What is laughable about all this is M-B started all this back in 2003 with the V8Komprressor and TT 600's in the first place. When I first read "469 HP/516 Tourque" then saw the performance #'s I was like, "GOOD GRAVY IS THIS NUTS"!

I recall a guy from a car video (tester) saying "M-B has gone completely mad and installed a 500 HP Supercharged V8 into the car".

Now it appears to keep up you have to have a roadmap that includes 600 HP cars and "normal" cars with powerplants producing over 400 HP.

FUN, FUN, FUN!

TK

 

great.. now almost every MB & BMW will be getting <10 MPG gas mileage. i guess the new 2011 35MPG law doesn't apply to MB & BMW!!

 

HP wars are always amazing. The thing is though, when it comes to the actual HP and Torque #'s, mercedes is always ahead when considering the AMG and 600 series not the lower motors. (atleast claimed) So V8 TT from BMW is gonna be awesome and may lure me in, but I'm quite certain MBZ knows what they are doing, I mean who does high displacement high hp motors and german cars better?

 

As can be seen from my background including a current 335i TT (my daily driver) I will stick with Mercedes if they remain competitive with their engines.
Turbo's and other tweaks will be neccessary to compete. I will never drive another 5 series BMW as long as they keep their current hideous designs no matter what engine they put in that ugly thing!

 

Drop it down and put some 22" 360 wheels on it and have a nice day!

 

yes, i think i will be getting this! i think it looks good!

it takes some time to get used to it, but will be hot with some wheels and a drop!

So it'll be a really fast (with chip) smaller version of an SUV, but with nice amount of trunk space.
So its like in the middle between an SUV and a Sport Coupe... which is what they are shooting for, AFAIK.

Would be very complimentary to a nice SL63

Imagine how much HP with ECU, headers, intake, and exhaust!

 

In recent years, BMW I6's trounced that of anything comparable coming out of MB. However, even going back two decades, the V8's and V12's pumped out of MB dominated its competition from BMW. Now, BMW is attempting to level the playing field.

I frankly don't see MB turning to turbo-charging for its non-AMG V8's. The 550 motor is already a powerhouse, but it would suit MB to massage some extra ponies out of it, in order to stay in line with the new competition from BMW.

As for the V12's...well, BMW needs to make some serious moves to enter the league of the monstrous M275.

 

Out of those three cars any idiot can tell you, the only ones that will do the killing-- are the ones that are doing it now. The M5 and E63.

Do you ever post facts-- or just theories and opinions?

In all honesty, I'm baffled as to why you genuienly believe: A) The V8TT (which kicks out a "monstorous" 400hp) is better then the AMG V8 Supercharged, and B) the 5 series would kill the sales of the M5 and E63...

Care to back up any of those statements? Perhaps a performance sheet to show the brute strength of the V8TT Or... something maybe?

I can tell you just by reading this particular thread alone, no one is really diggin' the 5 series' new looks and it seems no power plant in the world will make them think twice about it either. Shocking

Hope I don't get another stiff warning for trying to make sense of things

 

I would consider a TT Beemer over my beast ... as long as they get the styling right in the next gen 5 / 6 series....

Spy pics of he new 7 series - yes, its almost time for the new one - show a decided move away from the flame styling. Finally.

Not sure where BMW is heading tho ... their staple ranges are encroaching on their M's in terms of power... This is so obvious with the 335/M3 it almost makes the M3 powr plant obsolete.... lets face it a tuned 335 motor in an M3 chassis would be one of the best cars on the planet right now.

 

so many cars, so lil money... i wonder what im going to do with my e55 when any of these comes out...

 

just by the fact that you didn't know what a "135" was tells me everything about you..

Right now.. a simple piggy back and exhaust mods with a 3L N54 TT is putting down numbers and ETA/traps speeds at the level of a stock E55. Do a search mr. know it all. (Terry and Vishnu)

Just imagine what a 4.4 TT V8 will do to a torque limited E63 and M5.


As it stand right now, a fully modded 335i (FMIC, piggy back, Dp's, exhaust) can run with E60 M5's and CLS55. Do a search for "Walk-U" on the E90post and you will see your self. While it can't make the pass, its does very well.

I speak in terms of modding potential, so you need to let go of those factory spec comparisons. There are useless. 400 vs 469 Again, useless!

The engine is brand new for BWM, but it will find its way to the aftermarket tuners. (Vishnu, SSTT, Dinan and probably Terry)

Remeber.. I'm speaking in terms of potential power (55 engine vs 4.4TTengine) and you can include transmission to the mix as well.

last point.. look at the 335,135.. its already eating away sales of E46 M3's (last year) and "some" E92 M3 (future owners). How can you quantify that? you can't, but you can only read forums E90post.com to make that conclusion. Something I do everyday.

If a v8TT engine is released to a 5 series, the same trend in theory would apply. Unless the M5 receives turbos as well (rumor has it) Did you know that?

Also, I can only speak of E55 owners.. but if a "new" 5 series is release with this motor, it will potential steer me away from purchasing a used E63, C63 or CLS63. Unless AMG has something to counter this engine.

I have been here on this forum for a while now.. never have I onced been accused as a hater, specially since I own 2 AMG's. (not lease... OWN)

I frankly find amusing that you are trying to make me look like a entry level enthusiast. Far from it.

I have helped developed a FMIC for E55 guys and spent hours with Brandon Code3 Performance.
helped develop a simple fix for our Kompressor Clutch bearign issues, IC pump, and other small issues with the C32.

I have contributed more than you probably will on this forum.

I'm going to ask you once as a gentleman.. if you don't like my posts, don't reply to them.

 

thanks for supporting the point I made about the 335 sales eating away the M3 sales.

 

Anything Mercedes makes that is TT is something I'd want. I just wish it was lower down on the food chain.

Btw anything BMW makes that is TT I'd take a serious look at. (as long as it doesn't have a bangle butt)

BTW anything Audi makes that is a TT I'd take a VERY serious look at.

It is my firm belief that Mercedes will come out with a TT 6.3 and screw over current 6.3 owners like I was when the supercharged 5.4 liter came out.

 

Wow healthy smackdown there TopGun. I agree that BMW's tactics are confusing, with the tuning potential of their stable cars eclipsing the performance of their fabled M-cars. I think I can shed some light on this apparent dissonance.

As you can see forced induction is fast becoming the go-to move in order to balance emissions with performance. BMW's ///M division has resisted this trend vehemently, maintaining that NA motors maintain the "purity" of the "ultimate driving machine". It's all about the experience right? Well while they've been polishing their "International Performance Engine of the Year" awards their customers have been crying for more power.

The disconnect here is that BMW's stable cars' engines are developed by engineers who do not needlessly apply constraints to their designs. The bottom line is they want to sell cars. The people want turbos, the people get turbos. Now the M division is having its hand forced. They need to evolve or they'll be a laughing stock, and they see the writing on the wall. BMW's V10 is an engine that has been pushed about as far as it's going to go for its size, as evidenced by the lovely 11mpg I get pretty much everywhere. I think its time for an evolution people. TT V10's are coming.

 

+1000

When the 6.3 gets its FI on, that 4.4TT will crawl back in to the black forrest

 

I hope this becomes reality soon!

With the CTS-V going Supercharged, to the RS6 V10 TT.. the mid size sport sedan competition will only get tougher.