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So all this talk about 63's and turbos...
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So all this talk about 63's and turbos...
It seems like every other thread someone say something about the new 6.3 turbo/supercharged... Now If I'm correct, there has been ZERO proof of this.
I have been starting to wonder thought, who knows something I don't. It sure seems like a lot of people make note of this possible BEAST. does anyone have any proof? Where did this rumor originate?
I have been starting to wonder thought, who knows something I don't. It sure seems like a lot of people make note of this possible BEAST. does anyone have any proof? Where did this rumor originate?
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It's more like a hope once the 63 let down many people's expectations to be the beast that will top the 55 and new M5. With so many makers force inducting their engines, people think that this will be the next logical step for mid level AMGs to compete. Since all mid level AMGs are 63, people tend to believe that to boost the performance to the level of competition is to force air induct it as well.
I could be wrong of course.
I could be wrong of course.
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Not supercharged. There has been word from the top execs for a while that the SC was to be phased out and TT phased in.
The 63 has been highly "detuned", because they do not have all of the supporting drivetrain components completely tweaked (mainly the tranny). There is always a fear of buying a new thing, but there is a load of power in a 63, IF you are willing to dig for it.
The 63 has been highly "detuned", because they do not have all of the supporting drivetrain components completely tweaked (mainly the tranny). There is always a fear of buying a new thing, but there is a load of power in a 63, IF you are willing to dig for it.
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Whether or not AMG takes the Twin Turbo route, they will be forced to somehow increase power significantly due to all the competition doing so (aka Audi RS6 TT V10, M5 TT V10, Cadillac Supercharged V8, etc.....). Knowing AMG, it really doesn't matter if they go 7.2 liter NA (to get to 650 hp) or go 6.2L Twin Turbo because AMG usually makes sure they're on top of the hp war game 
So even though the Twin Turbo project is not confirmed, some kind of a very powerful beast is confirmed, and I assure you, will follow shortly. Of course, I would think the Twin Turbo route is a much easier and cost effective route for them to take
but we'll have to wait and see.
AMG guys, if you're reading this....... we're dropping a hint: we need at least a 700 hp 6.2L Twin Turbo beast to continue the journey
So even though the Twin Turbo project is not confirmed, some kind of a very powerful beast is confirmed, and I assure you, will follow shortly. Of course, I would think the Twin Turbo route is a much easier and cost effective route for them to take
but we'll have to wait and see.AMG guys, if you're reading this....... we're dropping a hint: we need at least a 700 hp 6.2L Twin Turbo beast to continue the journey
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So in other words. Everyone who bought a N/A 63 is F*CKED. You think AMG cars have bad resale... you are in for a big surprise. I say sell all 63's that are NA and wait. you don't wan't to own one when the new much more powerful Beast in unveiled.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
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So in other words. Everyone who bought a N/A 63 is F*CKED. You think AMG cars have bad resale... you are in for a big surprise. I say sell all 63's that are NA and wait. you don't wan't to own one when the new much more powerful Beast in unveiled.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
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Look at the relatively small price difference between '02 and '03 models currently and the vast difference in performance. The current 63's will likely take a bigger short term hit if a 6.3TT is introduced, but they all seem to drop like rocks in the end.
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I tend to somewhat agree with you guys on this...but my take is this....they will improve the hp on the 63's to a degree...maybe another 50 or so with direct injection, cam, and timing....the single most restrictive element in these vehicles is traction, so why wouldn't they go after that...maybe even a 4matic, or at the very least have a limited slip in all AMG's as standard....I also think that the CLK black was a test to see how many would spend the kind of bucks the the vehicle commands. In the end.MB will do what right for MB. The AMG market is small compaired to their overall production, granted there is a huge profit, but there are also more competitors trying to get into that market. I think that they will look into their parts bin first....like their TT12....why not chop of 2 cylinders and you get a V10....? I guess we can all speculate what MB will do. I for one like my E63..(as soon as the hesitation gets out)...its fast for a stocker, but if I wanted to mod things up, you could do a whole bunch to the engine...it all depends on the $$$$$$!
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The only thing I was hanging on is the SLC or the new 300SL Gullwing. Benz should bring um in around 620-650hp and with the 6.3, you just couldn't make an N/A with that much hp reliably without forced induction.
THEN we got video of the SLC on the The Ring and I enhanced the audio and it sounded like a 12. So we are kinda back to square one.
If they are working on a turb 8, it's gotta be one of the best kept secrets in Benz history.
THEN we got video of the SLC on the The Ring and I enhanced the audio and it sounded like a 12. So we are kinda back to square one.
If they are working on a turb 8, it's gotta be one of the best kept secrets in Benz history.
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The only thing I was hanging on is the SLC or the new 300SL Gullwing. Benz should bring um in around 620-650hp and with the 6.3, you just couldn't make an N/A with that much hp reliably without forced induction.
THEN we got video of the SLC on the The Ring and I enhanced the audio and it sounded like a 12. So we are kinda back to square one.
If they are working on a turb 8, it's gotta be one of the best kept secrets in Benz history.
THEN we got video of the SLC on the The Ring and I enhanced the audio and it sounded like a 12. So we are kinda back to square one.
If they are working on a turb 8, it's gotta be one of the best kept secrets in Benz history.
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It is true that the E63 is detuned. the problem is that the 7-speed tranny cannot handle the torque. the 7-speed tranny can handle around 475 ft-lbs of torque where the old bullet proof 5-speed can handle 742 ft-lbs of torque. in saying that merc has to be working on strengthing the tranny. another problem is gauging the demand. the dollar is very weak at the moment so a new car of this caliber will cost a small fortune. just look at the price of a new 3-series on the lot. If merc's hand is forced because they are losing market share they will probably switch to the old 5-speed tranny and unleash the 63's true power. the hp figures could be anyone's guest.
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So in other words. Everyone who bought a N/A 63 is F*CKED. You think AMG cars have bad resale... you are in for a big surprise. I say sell all 63's that are NA and wait. you don't wan't to own one when the new much more powerful Beast in unveiled.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
this is all assuming this change happens with in the next 2 years.
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It is true that the E63 is detuned. the problem is that the 7-speed tranny cannot handle the torque. the 7-speed tranny can handle around 475 ft-lbs of torque where the old bullet proof 5-speed can handle 742 ft-lbs of torque. in saying that merc has to be working on strengthing the tranny. another problem is gauging the demand. the dollar is very weak at the moment so a new car of this caliber will cost a small fortune. just look at the price of a new 3-series on the lot. If merc's hand is forced because they are losing market share they will probably switch to the old 5-speed tranny and unleash the 63's true power. the hp figures could be anyone's guest.
I posted an article from Kleemann(somebody re=posted in a few days ago)stating that the 7G tranny can handle ALOT more hp/torque then 475.
Here,from Kleemanns site:
Will the 7G tronic be able to handle the power of a KLEEMANN tuning solution?
The 7 speed 7G tronic transmission (722.9) is slowly being phased in to replace the 5 speed (722.6) transmission Mercedes Benz has used for the last 5 years. All new N/A V6 and V8 vehicles are now being built with the W7A 700 variant of the 7G tronic. The WA700 variant is endurance load rated by Mercedes Benz at 760 Nm (560 lbs/ft) of torque. This means the transmission will handle this amount of power continuously with out failure. There will never be a time where one can develop this kind of power continuously on the road. Momentary load ratings are easily 35 % higher than continuous ratings. The 7G tronic transmission will easily handle the performance from a KLEEMANN conversion. The 7G tronic has been available for nearly one year and KLEEMANN has modified many of these vehicles. None of these modified vehicles has had any trouble to date, many of them having logged in excess of 64,000 km (40.000
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Right, what everyone is forgetting is that while the 7G can probably handle the power/torque of the supercharged and turbo V12s, they want to ensure reliability so they went with the stronger 5-speed. Mercedes used to always boast that none of their drivertrains were "stressed" like various screamers from BMW and Audi.
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Not true.
I posted an article from Kleemann(somebody re=posted in a few days ago)stating that the 7G tranny can handle ALOT more hp/torque then 475.
Here,from Kleemanns site:
Will the 7G tronic be able to handle the power of a KLEEMANN tuning solution?
The 7 speed 7G tronic transmission (722.9) is slowly being phased in to replace the 5 speed (722.6) transmission Mercedes Benz has used for the last 5 years. All new N/A V6 and V8 vehicles are now being built with the W7A 700 variant of the 7G tronic. The WA700 variant is endurance load rated by Mercedes Benz at 760 Nm (560 lbs/ft) of torque. This means the transmission will handle this amount of power continuously with out failure. There will never be a time where one can develop this kind of power continuously on the road. Momentary load ratings are easily 35 % higher than continuous ratings. The 7G tronic transmission will easily handle the performance from a KLEEMANN conversion. The 7G tronic has been available for nearly one year and KLEEMANN has modified many of these vehicles. None of these modified vehicles has had any trouble to date, many of them having logged in excess of 64,000 km (40.000
I posted an article from Kleemann(somebody re=posted in a few days ago)stating that the 7G tranny can handle ALOT more hp/torque then 475.
Here,from Kleemanns site:
Will the 7G tronic be able to handle the power of a KLEEMANN tuning solution?
The 7 speed 7G tronic transmission (722.9) is slowly being phased in to replace the 5 speed (722.6) transmission Mercedes Benz has used for the last 5 years. All new N/A V6 and V8 vehicles are now being built with the W7A 700 variant of the 7G tronic. The WA700 variant is endurance load rated by Mercedes Benz at 760 Nm (560 lbs/ft) of torque. This means the transmission will handle this amount of power continuously with out failure. There will never be a time where one can develop this kind of power continuously on the road. Momentary load ratings are easily 35 % higher than continuous ratings. The 7G tronic transmission will easily handle the performance from a KLEEMANN conversion. The 7G tronic has been available for nearly one year and KLEEMANN has modified many of these vehicles. None of these modified vehicles has had any trouble to date, many of them having logged in excess of 64,000 km (40.000
