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Sep 1, 2008 | 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiromikey

i brought this up in another thread. it seems to be completely opposite of what we'd expect.

Maybe the 55K intercoolers were working optimally as the 46 degree air and higher airflow at elevated speed is helping it keep cool, as the car is heading down the track...while Jim's car was contending with 20 degrees warmer air and humidity?

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Sep 1, 2008 | 01:37 PM

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haters crazy

What confuses me is that with 100 shot of nitrous he isn't gaining any ET. Traction maybe?

Sep 1, 2008 | 02:06 PM

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Tom

lol. I've never raced in 46degree weather! you can knock off another tenth and add a mph if I ever get so lucky...

Sep 1, 2008 | 04:01 PM

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What confuses me is that with 100 shot of nitrous he isn't gaining any ET. Traction maybe?

The 63 ECU is very different than the 55k, and still remains mainly a mystery. No company has truly unlocked the code completely yet. There could be some torque limiting functions put in place (by Mercedes) to protect the transmission, which may be what's slowing the car's momentum as it's pushed more and more. Also, the TB doesn't seem to open 100% at full throttle. Too many possibilities

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Sep 1, 2008 | 05:25 PM

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lol. I've never raced in 46degree weather! you can knock off another tenth and add a mph if I ever get so lucky...

Oh..ok...the list above looks like it lists 46.0 on your run as the temp...or is that humidity?

Tom

Sep 1, 2008 | 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TMC M5

Oh..ok...the list above looks like it lists 46.0 on your run as the temp...or is that humidity?

Tom

I'm not sure what that is but I doubt it's humidity also. the best temps I have ever run here in the desert are low 60's and once high 50's.

Sep 2, 2008 | 12:33 AM

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I'm not sure what that is but I doubt it's humidity also. the best temps I have ever run here in the desert are low 60's and once high 50's.

Your run was January 18th 2008 @ firebird.. I imagine you filled out your listing on dragtimes. I looked and it was a cool night in Az. This was ideal for your car.

Your run 11:08 pm January 18th 2008 here is the weather locally
8:47 PM 44.6 °F / 7.0 °C 14.0 °F / -10.0 °C 29% 30.17 in / 1021.6 hPa 15.0 miles / 24.1 kilometers WNW 3.5 mph / 5.6 km/h / 1.5 m/s - N/A Clear
METAR KCHD 190347Z 30003KT 15SM SKC 07/M10 A3017 RMK LAST

This is the last reported temp from Chandler Az, I am sure it did not warm up between 9 and 11 pm. It is very likely your run occurred at 46.0 degrees or less. Plus rising pressure.. This was GREAT WEATHER

http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-14412.html

This run in your 55 was as good as it will ever get @Firebird, the track is over 1200 feet and the sub 50 degree temps and low humidity helped your car make more power.

Sep 2, 2008 | 02:27 AM

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i totally agree with you juicee and understand where you're getting your numbers from, but i didn't submit the 46* on dragtimes and nobody at the track was reporting sub 50 degree temps. iirc, i was told 52* before i left after getting kicked out (about a half hour after the run).

either way, you're right, it was as good as firebird gets and there's some power left in the car if i can get her to mir and start adding ice to the i/c.

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Sep 2, 2008 | 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rarfinancial

When are we going to hit the track again? or just have a Lunchin with the crew?

I'M GETT'IN ITCHY

We're hitting Famoso on December 12/13 for a private rental. We're trying to aim for a low DA day.

Sep 2, 2008 | 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chiromikey

either way, you're right, it was as good as firebird gets and there's some power left in the car if i can get her to mir and start adding ice to the i/c.

Oh ok, I can see that .. What a rare night. You musta been very dissapointed to have to leave!!

I know in the right conditions you will definately have a shot at moving up this list. Im certain heads up is where you really would shine. I will never forget the guy driving a 4.5 second dragster asking me " hey what the hell does he have in that thing".

Thanks for clearing it up.

Sep 2, 2008 | 09:37 AM

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1. 10.58 132.460 6.885 105.550 1.610 50.0 Mercedes-Benz S600 RENNtech Nitrous 2003 Stephen F. Selden NOS

2. 10.745 132.210 6.985 103.030 1.718 73.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG VRUS ecu and NOS 2005 rflow NOS

3. 10.853 124.929 6.973 103.605 1.583 61.0 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG RENNtech 2005 Lou Fishgold All motor #1

4. 10.950 131.230 7.108 100.580 1.698 70.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Kleemann Stage 2 2005 Derek NOS

5. 10.980 123.420 7.046 98.850 1.612 55.0 Mercedes-Benz CL600 2005 JWade

6. 10.996 125.670 7.093 101.310 1.666 47.0 Mercedes-Benz CL600 2005 JWade

7. 11.069 128.716 7.139 99.215 1.673 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG RENNtech 2006 Roger Ver

8. 11.142 125.940 7.191 97.170 1.683 65.0 Mercedes-Benz CL600 2005 JWade

9. 11.178 125.240 7.229 98.150 1.704 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG E55K 2005 Rick

10. 11.18 125.08 7.243 98.56 1.683 Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG 2006 SGC

11. 11.221 122.310 7.230 97.740 1.669 77.0 Mercedes-Benz CL600 2005 JWade

12. 11.259 125.668 7.234 96.498 1.597 61.0 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RennTech 2004 Joe Curry

13. 11.267 123.729 7.273 xx.xxx 1.675 77.0 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG RennTech 2005 Lou Fishgold

14. 11.324 123.418 7.326 1.713 81.0 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG RennTech 2005 Joe Curry

15. 11.341 123.810 7.338 96.670 1.714 74.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2005 rflow

16. 11.380 127.200 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG 2005 Benjamin Treynor

17. 11.389 122.240 7.303 95.980 1.610 53.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2004 Derrick DJE55

18. 11.395 127.190 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG RENNtech 2005 treynor

19. 11.420 124.600 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG 2005 randall@mbwerks.com

20. 11.436 122.414 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RennTech 2004 Joe Curry

21. 11.440 119.530 7.340 95.150 1.620 65.0Mercedes CL600 2003 Chas Jr

22. 11.468 121.010 7.414 96.620 1.767 Mercedes-Benz E300 turbodiesel 1996 Antti

23. 11.470* 122.160 7.387 95.140 1.682 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2004 Kleeman ECU, VRP TB 80mm,headers,cams,exhaust,BFG HigginsBeach

24. 11.474 120.277 7.384 95.325 1.750 85.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Kleeman K2 2003 Jakpro1

25. 11.480 120.53 7.390 94.73 1.667 48.0 Mercedes Benz CLK55 AMG 2001
Kleemann s/c @ 7 PSI, kleemann ecu tune, kleemann headers, kleemann LSD, eisenmann race exhaust, custom HE, and E55 intake (blackbenzz)

26. 11.486 122.070 7.417 95.640 1.710 46.0 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2003 chiromikey

27. 11.490 123.260 7.507 97.880 1.882 60.0 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RennTech 2004 Arnold Curry

Have you and Tom reconciled your lists. I think his lists only names the CAR ONCE not MULTIPLE TIMES. i like the idea of just putting the car ONCE thus lowering the number of cars on the list and raising others higher.

Sep 2, 2008 | 11:11 PM

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Hope you folks are doing well. The E is kickin' it in Orlando now with the Mom. Running Gainesville tomorrow night with the new GTR. Any E's up for it?

Juicee, thanks for keeping me on the list! Feels good to still be somewhere on there!

Sep 3, 2008 | 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MB_Forever

We're hitting Famoso on December 12/13 for a private rental. We're trying to aim for a low DA day.

Sign me up! It's a must

Lets hit Fontana some time before. I realy need to practice

Sep 3, 2008 | 08:43 AM

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PLEASE POST UP!! Curious to see how you do with the GTR.

Sep 3, 2008 | 10:09 AM

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PLEASE POST UP!! Curious to see how you do with the GTR.

I can tell you what he's gonna run with the GTR if it's stock...12.6's or 12.7's, that is what everyone wth stock GTR's are running. I've been at the strip where 3 of them were running and the best they could muster were low 12.7's. That car is a huge disapointment. I've been on Road America with one as well and I'm not sure if it was the driver or the car, but it could not get out of it's own way, the lack of MPH on the straights was really bad. If I owned one of them I would be pretty PO'ed and looking for tuners to make it into the sports car it was hyped up to be.

Sep 3, 2008 | 02:12 PM

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Car and Driver got to the bottom of the issue: http://www.caranddriver.com/features...sepower_column

In a nutshell, the GTRs that run mid 11s have ECUs tweaked to make 520 horsepower while the GTRs that run 12s have ECUs tweaked to make just the advertised 480 horsepower.

Based on what Nissan told them, C&D is expecting production cars to make 520 horsepower but if you're seeing 12s on the strip, then it sounds like cars are shipping with the ECU at the more conservative settings.

FWIW....

Sep 3, 2008 | 02:32 PM

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Good find. I'd be interested in seeing some real private owner dyno's. Who knows if the "program" was just a tune for C&D.

Sep 3, 2008 | 02:41 PM

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Good find. I'd be interested in seeing some real private owner dyno's. Who knows if the "program" was just a tune for C&D.

It probably was. Either that or the magazine favored the car somehow. It wouldn't really be the first time. Jim stated that he saw these cars personally run at the track at 12.70s

and 12.70s is very different than 11.60s

Sep 3, 2008 | 02:56 PM

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It's not just me, a few other posters on this board from other regions of the country have only seen high 12's out of them at the strip. Poke your nose around on some Nissan boards and 6speed online and you will find similar figures. Who does Nissan think they are fooling?

Great marketing idea, let's ship some souped-up test cars to all the magazines and e-zines to generate some hype and then we will just sell some slow de-tuned ones to the masses. Does Nissan realize they are the laughing stock of the import world right now? This has been the most over-hyped under-delivered car in recent history. While other manufactures are delivering cars that are exceeding the performance numbers of the mags Nissan tosses this garbage at us? I feel sorry for all the all the suckers that paid $20k over MSRP.

Sep 3, 2008 | 03:08 PM

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Agreed, I ran with one at AutoBahn and it was a proverbial slug, The guy was not racing, he was grand touring as we say in the motorcycle biz!!! Decent handling, BUT the acceleration was slow. I was in a IF 400F. I think the car is way over-hyped as well Jim.

Sep 3, 2008 | 03:41 PM

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Was only checking in and making an invitation, no need to turn it into a thread jack. I'll start a new thread with what happens.

Sep 3, 2008 | 03:46 PM

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Was only checking in and making an invitation, no need to turn it into a thread jack. I'll start a new thread with what happens.

Sorry, no thread jack intended. We all go off on tangents occasionally and the GTR is a BIG one for me!!! Over priced, over hyped............................................. .............

Go Gators!!!!

Sep 3, 2008 | 03:49 PM

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It probably was. Either that or the magazine favored the car somehow. It wouldn't really be the first time. Jim stated that he saw these cars personally run at the track at 12.70s

and 12.70s is very different than 11.60s

let's be honest. you can't go by what you see joe schmuck run at your local drag strip. if that were the case, we could more easily say the same thing about the c6 z06.

Sep 3, 2008 | 04:00 PM

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let's be honest. you can't go by what you see joe schmuck run at your local drag strip. if that were the case, we could more easily say the same thing about the c6 z06.

I thought the same exact thing the first time I saw a guy lay down 5 back to back to back 12.7's in a GTR, he must not know what he is doing. Then a few weeks later I was at the track and there were 2 different GTR running back to back to back 12.6's and 12'7. 3 different cars with 3 different drivers on two different dates at 2 different tracks making about 20 passes collectivly all within .200 of each other is more tha a cse of a bad driver. If anything their consistancy tells me they are probably good drivers. Say and believe what you want but I saw it with my own eyes and people from other boards including the nissan boards are seeing the same exact times out of stock GTR's.

Sep 3, 2008 | 04:10 PM

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i'm not saying i don't believe manufacturers provide "special" test cars...this has been going on since the original muscle car era. i'm saying you can't believe 1/4mile times from unknown drivers. i've witnessed c6 z06's running consistent mid 12's for the past 2yrs and have not once seen one run 11's out here in az. but i still know they're a better car than that...

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