Faster ///M5 Manual or SMGIII ?
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Faster ///M5 Manual or SMGIII ?
Should'nt the Manual trans be the faster car ? From every thing I have been told the SMGIII is like .4 seconds quicker to 60 ? True or False.
I know this is probably not a question for the AMG211 message board.
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I know this is probably not a question for the AMG211 message board.
Apologies.
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A member who shall remain nameless informed me that the 7sp SMG was designed for the V-10's power curve&the ratios are dead-on.The 6sp manual is not the proper tranny for this engine
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That comment worked circa 1986. Try new material. You should get to bed anyway, it has to be late where you are.
gixxer, that guy must be pretty sharp. How's your boy with the 335, has he destroyed any Enzo's today? Maybe we should hook him up with the OP and they can make revving noises with their mouths.
gixxer, that guy must be pretty sharp. How's your boy with the 335, has he destroyed any Enzo's today? Maybe we should hook him up with the OP and they can make revving noises with their mouths.
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who cares about 0-60
the SMG3 is a few seconds faster to 150 which is the biggy.
1 extra gear and lightning quick shifts..
but I bet the manual feels faster, less drivetrain loss.
the SMG3 is a few seconds faster to 150 which is the biggy.
1 extra gear and lightning quick shifts..
but I bet the manual feels faster, less drivetrain loss.
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I thought the SMG was a manual with a hydroelectric clutch? So wouldnt the DT loss be the same
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That comment worked circa 1986. Try new material. You should get to bed anyway, it has to be late where you are.
gixxer, that guy must be pretty sharp. How's your boy with the 335, has he destroyed any Enzo's today? Maybe we should hook him up with the OP and they can make revving noises with their mouths.
gixxer, that guy must be pretty sharp. How's your boy with the 335, has he destroyed any Enzo's today? Maybe we should hook him up with the OP and they can make revving noises with their mouths.
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so there is definately no comparison.I wish I knew how fast our AMG speedshift is? Sometimes it feels like 2 to 3 seconds between shifts
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SMGIII is much faster than manual. I read somewhere that the fastest manual shifts in the world are around 350 to 400 ms while SMGIII can up-shift at 80 ms so there is definately no comparison.
I wish I knew how fast our AMG speedshift is? Sometimes it feels like 2 to 3 seconds between shifts
so there is definately no comparison.I wish I knew how fast our AMG speedshift is? Sometimes it feels like 2 to 3 seconds between shifts
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when they first came out.By the way, how do you know how fast our speedshift tranny shifts? I couldn't find it anywhere. All I found was that it shifts up to "35% faster". I have no clue faster than what?
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I am so sick of hearing about how "fast" the SMG tranny shifts and think it is over-rated big time.
I maintain that I could speed shift a 6-speed manual faster than the SMG (I know for a fact I can do it faster than an e-gear Gallardo) anytime. Also, the AMG's are not as bad as people make them out to be. I always pull on SMG's in the 1-2 gear speed range (with a shift about 45 with the E55). If the SMG was so great and that much faster at shifting it would be faster from low speed rolls than the E55/E63 which it is not. Right???
Now, if we are talking big speed (over 120) the # of gears in the tranny (7) do come into play.
Chances are you cats will think I am nuts on my ability to drive a manual transmission but it ain't that hard; foot to the floor, quick clutch, agressive pulls/pushes between gears with the right timing and good night!
I can't wait to see a video of a skilled 6M M5 driver versus an SMG - I say the 6M wins through gears 1-4.
There are enough video's out there of bad-axx Z06"s going down the track (link below) that prove how quickly - and fast - manual tranmission cars can be when driven right (turn up the volume, the Z06 sounds awesome)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
Again, the AMG auto's are not that bad...
T
I maintain that I could speed shift a 6-speed manual faster than the SMG (I know for a fact I can do it faster than an e-gear Gallardo) anytime. Also, the AMG's are not as bad as people make them out to be. I always pull on SMG's in the 1-2 gear speed range (with a shift about 45 with the E55). If the SMG was so great and that much faster at shifting it would be faster from low speed rolls than the E55/E63 which it is not. Right???
Now, if we are talking big speed (over 120) the # of gears in the tranny (7) do come into play.
Chances are you cats will think I am nuts on my ability to drive a manual transmission but it ain't that hard; foot to the floor, quick clutch, agressive pulls/pushes between gears with the right timing and good night!
I can't wait to see a video of a skilled 6M M5 driver versus an SMG - I say the 6M wins through gears 1-4.
There are enough video's out there of bad-axx Z06"s going down the track (link below) that prove how quickly - and fast - manual tranmission cars can be when driven right (turn up the volume, the Z06 sounds awesome)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
Again, the AMG auto's are not that bad...
T
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I am so sick of hearing about how "fast" the SMG tranny shifts and think it is over-rated big time.
I maintain that I could speed shift a 6-speed manual faster than the SMG (I know for a fact I can do it faster than an e-gear Gallardo) anytime. Also, the AMG's are not as bad as people make them out to be. I always pull on SMG's in the 1-2 gear speed range (with a shift about 45 with the E55). If the SMG was so great and that much faster at shifting it would be faster from low speed rolls than the E55/E63 which it is not. Right???
Now, if we are talking big speed (over 120) the # of gears in the tranny (7) do come into play.
Chances are you cats will think I am nuts on my ability to drive a manual transmission but it ain't that hard; foot to the floor, quick clutch, agressive pulls/pushes between gears with the right timing and good night!
I can't wait to see a video of a skilled 6M M5 driver versus an SMG - I say the 6M wins through gears 1-4.
There are enough video's out there of bad-axx Z06"s going down the track (link below) that prove how quickly - and fast - manual tranmission cars can be when driven right (turn up the volume, the Z06 sounds awesome)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
Again, the AMG auto's are not that bad...
T
I maintain that I could speed shift a 6-speed manual faster than the SMG (I know for a fact I can do it faster than an e-gear Gallardo) anytime. Also, the AMG's are not as bad as people make them out to be. I always pull on SMG's in the 1-2 gear speed range (with a shift about 45 with the E55). If the SMG was so great and that much faster at shifting it would be faster from low speed rolls than the E55/E63 which it is not. Right???
Now, if we are talking big speed (over 120) the # of gears in the tranny (7) do come into play.
Chances are you cats will think I am nuts on my ability to drive a manual transmission but it ain't that hard; foot to the floor, quick clutch, agressive pulls/pushes between gears with the right timing and good night!
I can't wait to see a video of a skilled 6M M5 driver versus an SMG - I say the 6M wins through gears 1-4.
There are enough video's out there of bad-axx Z06"s going down the track (link below) that prove how quickly - and fast - manual tranmission cars can be when driven right (turn up the volume, the Z06 sounds awesome)!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
Again, the AMG auto's are not that bad...
T
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Yeah, I remember reading that the average stick shift driver shifts at about 600 to 700 ms while pros shift at about 350 ms, which is still very fast (a third of a second). I think that's why they moved all the F1 cars to the electronic "direct shift" type transmissions, which were shifting at 150 to 200 ms when they first came out.
By the way, how do you know how fast our speedshift tranny shifts? I couldn't find it anywhere. All I found was that it shifts up to "35% faster". I have no clue faster than what?
when they first came out.By the way, how do you know how fast our speedshift tranny shifts? I couldn't find it anywhere. All I found was that it shifts up to "35% faster". I have no clue faster than what?
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Here's a video I found by accident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaAxzTqh8g
AMG better hury up, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaAxzTqh8g
AMG better hury up, lol
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Here's a video I found by accident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaAxzTqh8g
AMG better hury up, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmaAxzTqh8g
AMG better hury up, lol
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True, although a dsg type tranny is good for overall smoothness as well as just the speed. It would help with the lux side as well. I hear you on the BS pricing though There are like 3 63s on ebay right now, and they seem to have held steady.
There are like 3 63s on ebay right now, and they seem to have held steady.
