BoBcanada

Watch out for this lil car!

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What a hammer that GTR is. Smashing the 997TT by a full second? Ouch.

supre55

I'll keep my E... 0 to 60 in 4 seconds with a car seat in back and golf clubs and stroller in the trunk.

nlpamg

you know, I used to somewhat like the GT-R. the car's performance is just amazing... but I hope that car flops and burns.

the dealers are just ridiculous. I've spoken with a few and they all want 20k or more over MSRP and they act as if they're doing you a favor by selling you the damn car.

E55 RUSS

Check out the videos

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Video/S...e/?&R=EPI-5565

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Video/S...m/?&R=EPI-5574

GTR can do better the 1 sec

RLPIII

Great post! Too bad they did not throw a MB in the mix.

Addicted2Speed

Interesting comparison, but why wasn't the Z06 included? It would've easily outperformed both the Nissan GTR and 997TT on track and 0-100 for less money than Nissan

And the new Viper would be another excellent addition, 0-100 in 7.6 seconds and faster lap time than the Z06 (in the C&D comparison)!

RLPIII

Probably just don't like American cars. . . can't really blame them. . .

BoBcanada

Yeah its a europen review, lets wait for domestic ones... But i bet GTr will be very close to Z06, what i mean is, it will be close times on track, 0-60 and 1/4.... top end will be intresting to see because 5th and 6th gear on the vette is not so great... but it is light... Viper is 600 hp but wouldnt be surprised if GTR would be close to viper too.

Addicted2Speed

I don't think the GTR will be close to the Z06 or especially the Viper. Looking at the acceleration times:

GTR: 0-100mph = 8.3 seconds
Z06: 0-100mph = 7.7 seconds
Viper: 0-100mph = 7.6 seconds (0-150, Viper was half a second quicker than Z06 and the gap continued to increase)

If you look at the Viper, it weighs less than GTR but has 120hp more. How is that even close? GTR's power to weight just doesn't cut it and AWD will not pull as strong as RWD in the top end. GTR's launch is amazing and it will be close 0-60, but the gap will only become larger as speeds increase when compared against the Z06 and Viper.

If you're looking at track performance, Z06 easily outperformed 997TT by a much larger margin than GTR (and Viper outperformed the Z06). So there is no way GTR will be close to either the Z06 or Viper in a track comparison either.

jmf003

I think it's great! I don't imagine myself ever buying one--don't care for the style--but better competition forces all the manufacturers to work harder at building better cars for us buyers.

TopGun32

true..

but..we have not seen dyno's of the GTR.. don't assume its only putting down 480hp +/-


But Zr-1 will eat everybody's lunch.... I give it up to GM

RLPIII

Also, keep in mind that those 2 (viper & vette) don't handle and corner as good as the others, so even though they are fast in a straight line, I don't think they would do so well on the track used in the article.

Addicted2Speed

It probably has around 475hp because it ran neck to neck with a 997TT, which is a 480hp car and also AWD. Porsche weighs about 300-400lbs less, but it does have more torque. And I agree with you on the Zr-1... you just can't beat 650hp and 3,100lbs!

That's not true at all. The only time I've read a comparison where the Z06 lost on track, it was against the new Viper. Take a look at the link below, Z06 beat a Porsche GT3, which is a much faster car than 997TT. Same thing with the C&D lighting lap, the only cars that beat the Z06 were Ford GT and 600hp Viper. Both Z06 and Viper have amazing handling and grip, just take a look at their racing counterparts, C6R is a dominant car in Le Mans with handling second to none.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

RLPIII

It's good to hear they have improved. After driving the '03 & '04s, I gave up in disappointment and stopped following them.

E55 RUSS

In real life (regular road) GTR will spank both of them...

darren_dallas

Don't forget the easy tuning options which will be available for the GT-R within 12 months. One "simple" ECU tune and there's another 100hp.

Regards,

Darren

OzE55

While I marvel at the Nissan as a track car I'd have the Porsche anyday.

ItalianStallion

We'll see, we'll see...

But yeah, the GT-R seems ridiculous. I'm sure in about 2 years from now (maybe much sooner) we'll be seeing mind blowing variants and turbo work that'll have them blowin' the doors off of any street car. 'Till then, I'll be on the hunt

And guys, keep in mind the 997TT will be recieving a new dual clutch paddle shift tranny and direct injection within a year. That could make the Porsche the more favorable opponent. These wars kick ***.

E63ory

the dealers are just ridiculous. I've spoken with a few and they all want 20k or more over MSRP and they act as if they're doing you a favor by selling you the damn car.[/QUOTE]

This is true. I remember a similar experience with an Acura dealer re an NSX, and lately regarding the IS-F. Dealers of car brands which only offer one real performance vehicle on their lineup, act as though that vehicle is god's greatest gift to mankind.

Zax63

Yeah, but how will it do against your GTM supercar? For those who don't know it, check it out on youtube... Z06 motor, 505hp, 2400 lbs, mid engine, 70k or so. Two minor catches: 1, you build it yourself. 2, it should depreciate like a stone, because you built it yourself.

And about the dealers charging 20k over, yeah that sucks. I have a buddy who owns a dealership, and Nissan is charging him 40k to sell the car. He pays a fee to become a certified dealer and get the signage, and has to buy some special tool for his shop - he is only getting 2 of them this year, hence 20k markup per car. Yeah, he'll be able to sell them for years to come, but it makes some sense to me. That being said, I'd buy a ZR-1. Nasty.

Addicted2Speed

Real life is usually from a "roll", so GTR would get easily spanked by Z06 or a Viper. The only advantage the GTR has over these cars is AWD, which is useless and will only hurt at at highway speeds.

As far as comparing tuned cars with stock cars, its not a valid comparison at all. No matter how tuned the GTR is, it will not stand a chance against tuned vettes and vipers. You can buy a used corvette or viper and get them to 800-1000hp at the same cost as the new GTR too.

kipper215

I have no doubt the Z06 is faster than the GTR, but it's the turns that you have to think about. the Z06 will have very high excelleration going into a turn so you will have to break early before getting to the turn. the GTR is slower but can go deeper into a turn to get the quick exit. the Z06 has a 4.1 0-60 time so the GTR will beat you off the line every time unless your rolling on RA1's. AWD gives the GTR the advantage. Its 3.3-second 0-60-mph run and 11.6 at 120.9 quarter-mile is faster than the 4.1 seconds and 12.0 sec quarter-mile at 122 mph of the Z06. The Z06 is excellerating faster than the GTR, but that further proves my point about braking early. The GTR corners better than the Z06, but not the viper. Even the viper would have a hard time keep up with the GTR from a stop light all the way to a 1/4 mile. on the freeway the viper would smoke it like a joint. I think the Z06 would also pull away from a GTR on the freeway as well. so in conclusion don't toy around with one on the surface street, you might get laugh at. Freeway would be a different story.

ItalianStallion

I've heard reports that from a roll, the 997TT is actually faster than a GT-R (I think TopGear reported this and I heard it from a forum post somewhere).

I'd say that if you want to know how the GT-R will perform on the streets, take a look at the 997TT Tiptronic and think that it may have possibly better 0-100 but slightly slower 100+ speeds. Not sure but it should be very close and give you a good idea.

tommy25000

The new GTR is fast... But over rated IMO.