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Toe-links....
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maybe. the issue isn't just with the E. It is on all 55s. Interestingly enough, the S has stronger arms, but that was likely designed for weight, not stress.
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It been sometimes since I looked at this thread...those who insaleed toe-links recently...what are your conclusions ???
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having done now. will update next week as tl's are complimenting move to RT stage 4 & ic system upgrade.
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I went from the stock 18's to the 19in. sl 65 rims with Ps2, 275 in the rear and I notice alittle wiggle when I get on it hard, and I did not have that problem with the stock setup. It's no big deal to me, I just live with it.
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Why no toe links...How does it look compared to before ???
How did he leave 1 degree negative camber ???
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Renntech now only offers a package with the toe links and camber bushings. I had to pull strings to get half the package. I will try to take some pictures on an SL, but the camber bushings aren't visible. They function well though.
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Defenitely hooks better! My car is lowered via H & R ELM. No ride height difference after installing camber kit. No pics, only noticeable difference is how the tires sit. Before you could notice the tires were pitched outward. Looked like a pigeon toed kid. Now the tires are perfectly aligned. Was advised that I didn't need the toe links by Nick 55.
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There is a bunch of confusion in here. We are talking about two different parameters, each tweaked in a different way.
We all know I'm not a RennTech fan and that I like handling, so take it for what it is worth.
The Toe links are not adjustable. They are assumed to be the "cure" for the waggle, especially on the highly modified (power and or traction) by being stiffer than the OEM versions. After lots of playing with them, I personally just think they have stiffer bushings. Now, that may solve the waggle. I don't know. To date, I have never seen diffinitive data showing how much the toe arms bend and how much stiffer the RT ones are.
The Camber adjustment bushings are just offset bushings. I am personally not a fan. To me, it is a $5 band-aid on a $100K ride. Just not up to snuff for me.
What is interesting is the one buyer that said he had his car toe'd OUT and liked it better. For me, the car is plenty stable in a straight, even if it waggles. Having the rear tires being toe'd OUT actually helps with turn in, so I think some of your new found joy may have simply been an alignment issue.
The car comes basically neutral on toe. I usually keep mine neutral in the front and slightly toe'd out in the rears.
We all know I'm not a RennTech fan and that I like handling, so take it for what it is worth.
The Toe links are not adjustable. They are assumed to be the "cure" for the waggle, especially on the highly modified (power and or traction) by being stiffer than the OEM versions. After lots of playing with them, I personally just think they have stiffer bushings. Now, that may solve the waggle. I don't know. To date, I have never seen diffinitive data showing how much the toe arms bend and how much stiffer the RT ones are.
The Camber adjustment bushings are just offset bushings. I am personally not a fan. To me, it is a $5 band-aid on a $100K ride. Just not up to snuff for me.
What is interesting is the one buyer that said he had his car toe'd OUT and liked it better. For me, the car is plenty stable in a straight, even if it waggles. Having the rear tires being toe'd OUT actually helps with turn in, so I think some of your new found joy may have simply been an alignment issue.
The car comes basically neutral on toe. I usually keep mine neutral in the front and slightly toe'd out in the rears.
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What is interesting is the one buyer that said he had his car toe'd OUT and liked it better. For me, the car is plenty stable in a straight, even if it waggles. Having the rear tires being toe'd OUT actually helps with turn in, so I think some of your new found joy may have simply been an alignment issue.
The car comes basically neutral on toe. I usually keep mine neutral in the front and slightly toe'd out in the rears.
The car comes basically neutral on toe. I usually keep mine neutral in the front and slightly toe'd out in the rears.
With Toe the car is ALWAYS going to go in the direction of the most heavily loaded wheel.
Using toe to increase turn-in is a band-aid. You want the car to turn in better? Add camber and caster to the front and reduce camber at the rear. You can also play with tire pressures. But stay away from rear toe out on a rear wheel drive car.
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Are you serious? I was raised that way. Holy cow, I had no clue it was so bad. It worked wonders on my M3, band-aid or not.
The things you mention for improvement have already been maxed. the car is a pig and not a rear engined sports car.
At any rate, to each his own...
