W211 AMG Engine
12-20-2002, 03:05 PM
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W211 AMG Engine
Just need a confirmation. So is the engine one the new W211 AMG the same as what's in the SL55, S55 and CL55 except it's HP is detuned??
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12-20-2002, 03:52 PM
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There will probably not be any 'confirmations' until the car is dyno'd. Did you see this I posted:
Originally posted by E55 KEV
The December 4, 2002 issue of AutoCar from Britain had the W211 E55 in it's top ten list along with the S320 CDI which the US will not get. They also commented on the 469 versus 493 HP dilemma we have been speculating on:
"Given that the torque figure is identical to that claimed for the near-identical engine in the SL55, S55 and CL55, it's likely that Merc (Mercedes) is being shy with its claim in the interest of maintaining the hierarchy, and the E55 will put out closer to the 493bhp claimed for the others."
The December 4, 2002 issue of AutoCar from Britain had the W211 E55 in it's top ten list along with the S320 CDI which the US will not get. They also commented on the 469 versus 493 HP dilemma we have been speculating on:
"Given that the torque figure is identical to that claimed for the near-identical engine in the SL55, S55 and CL55, it's likely that Merc (Mercedes) is being shy with its claim in the interest of maintaining the hierarchy, and the E55 will put out closer to the 493bhp claimed for the others."
12-20-2002, 05:23 PM
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The engine is the same. I guess that the engine produces the same power (accel. etc are nearly the same). AMG says that due to space problems in the exhaust and airfilter area the engine in the W211 cannot produce the same power. Well, well ...
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12-20-2002, 08:08 PM
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Oh Come on guys...are you kidding me? 493HP?
the bloody E-class is lighter than teh SL, so if anything it should be faster? Right? And why would Mercedes-AMG make (in UK Price) make something that is faster for 60K, and add another 30K just for a coupe/convertible?
It doesn't make sense, but AMG sure must ahve made somemods to detune the car like ECU exhaust restriction/whatever, but make no mistake that engine is NOT 500HP, it just can't be.
the bloody E-class is lighter than teh SL, so if anything it should be faster? Right? And why would Mercedes-AMG make (in UK Price) make something that is faster for 60K, and add another 30K just for a coupe/convertible?
It doesn't make sense, but AMG sure must ahve made somemods to detune the car like ECU exhaust restriction/whatever, but make no mistake that engine is NOT 500HP, it just can't be.
12-21-2002, 12:09 AM
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Bilal this topic has been hashed and rehashed pretty thoroughly.
We know that the engines are virtually identical.
We also know that 1) the gear ratios are different, slightly favoring the SL55 2) the E is lighter, 3) the exhaust system is longer on the E.
There are no verifiable numbers comparing E and SL head to head yet.
But by all accounts, the difference in 0-60 times is going to be nearly trivial as the various pros and cons above cancel each other out.
For about $35,000 difference in price, the SL may not give you more speed or torque, but it does give you major exclusivity, a truly beautiful sport coupe which is a rolling work of art, a whole lot more curb appeal, and better handling. Most SL55 buyers aren't pinching their budgets to make this purchase.
We know that the engines are virtually identical.
We also know that 1) the gear ratios are different, slightly favoring the SL55 2) the E is lighter, 3) the exhaust system is longer on the E.
There are no verifiable numbers comparing E and SL head to head yet.
But by all accounts, the difference in 0-60 times is going to be nearly trivial as the various pros and cons above cancel each other out.
For about $35,000 difference in price, the SL may not give you more speed or torque, but it does give you major exclusivity, a truly beautiful sport coupe which is a rolling work of art, a whole lot more curb appeal, and better handling. Most SL55 buyers aren't pinching their budgets to make this purchase.
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12-21-2002, 02:34 AM
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The E55 is also quicker 0-120mph than the SL55. The only area the SL appears to have an advantage is 0-60 and this is probably because it has 285 wide rear tires (E55 265) and 2.82 to1 diff ratio (E55 2.65 to 1). Once theyre off the line the E55 is noticebly quicker, based on performance tests published so far.
12-21-2002, 06:32 AM
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I still say that that should de-tune it or give the SL more power. I mean come on, how would you like it if youa re driving you S55 at around 110mph, and a C32 goes whizzing past you and embarasses your own car's performance. just think he paid not even half your car's price, and is still faster, teh top models should have some differentiation, am I right?
In UK, I have seen 2 E55's my whole life (up til now). And the old E55 was not exactly "slow". However I have seen 3 SL55's in teh space of a few months, and the fact that AMG has increased output of production fo rth SL, talk about exclusivity!!!
All in all, I do agree about the SL being a work of art and all. they should have made it more exclusive by adding another 5K and giving more HP and not putting the same engine in the other cars.
In UK, I have seen 2 E55's my whole life (up til now). And the old E55 was not exactly "slow". However I have seen 3 SL55's in teh space of a few months, and the fact that AMG has increased output of production fo rth SL, talk about exclusivity!!!
All in all, I do agree about the SL being a work of art and all. they should have made it more exclusive by adding another 5K and giving more HP and not putting the same engine in the other cars.
12-22-2002, 02:34 AM
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Ahhh, but do keep in mind that this is first and foremost a business for MB, not a passion.
Different engines equals much greater production cost.
Tweaking the engines is not costly, but I will just about guarantee you that MB has very carefully analyzed the effect that similar power ratings and 0-60 times would have on sales/demand for SL's.
I will wager that the average SL buyer is different than the average reader of this forum (in terms of goals/reasons for buying), and that the numbers mentioned won't be a sales deterrent in any way.
Most of the SL buyers I know want the look of the car first, fun to drive and safe second, and pure performance potential is about 3rd on the short list. For AMG buyers, performance moves up the priority ladder pretty
Different engines equals much greater production cost.
Tweaking the engines is not costly, but I will just about guarantee you that MB has very carefully analyzed the effect that similar power ratings and 0-60 times would have on sales/demand for SL's.
I will wager that the average SL buyer is different than the average reader of this forum (in terms of goals/reasons for buying), and that the numbers mentioned won't be a sales deterrent in any way.
Most of the SL buyers I know want the look of the car first, fun to drive and safe second, and pure performance potential is about 3rd on the short list. For AMG buyers, performance moves up the priority ladder pretty
12-23-2002, 11:08 AM
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IT"S THE WEIGHT NOT THE PRICE!
The M3 is also faster than the M5 and all the 7-series and they cost more.
The amount of money spent does not equal the faster car. You are paying for a whole lot of other standard and luxury items in the SL55, S55 & CL55 and not just for a faster car.
You can find many examples of the less expensive car being faster:
The E430/E500 is faster than S430/S500
The 540i is faster than the 740i
The amount of money spent does not equal the faster car. You are paying for a whole lot of other standard and luxury items in the SL55, S55 & CL55 and not just for a faster car.
You can find many examples of the less expensive car being faster:
The E430/E500 is faster than S430/S500
The 540i is faster than the 740i
12-24-2002, 06:39 PM
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KevE55 M3 is not faster than M5
I owned both at the same time. Up to 80mph the M3 can stay close, but after that it's no contest. The throttle response of the M5 is very impressive and it will still be pulling hard into triple digits while the M3 seems to be gasping for air over 90 mph. I've got a new E55 on deposit. I'm tired of dealing with a clutch in everyday driving. I do recognize the shortcomings of an automatic transmission and supercharger at lower rpms, but the performance of this car at speeds over 50mph should be awesome. I'm currently driving an E500 as a test mule. It's been flawless and performs very well in everyday driving situations. I may decide to "grow up" and stay with this car. I've had other cars over 500hp and I know the fun they can provide, but I also know the frustration of not being able to use that performance 99% of the time.
