TMC M5

jrcart:

Congratulations on the time! I am glad that a non-NOS 63 is the current holder of the best 63 ET.

Don't take offense... people are just pointing out that something doesn't seem right. I would say that my car has at most 20 rwhp on yours (if that) and yet my traps have been 118.08-118.98mph in a car that weighs at least 800lbs more than yours with all the runs done in 90+ degree heat. I think the weather and altitude may be a factor....but not sure if that fully explains it. I guess the best way to test that theory is to get you to ATCO and MIR in the fall. I think we all want to see your car run the best times it is capable of...regardless of past dust-ups.

Tom

jrcart

I believe you need Adobe Reader to open the attachment, I think every computer in the world comes with Adobe, maybe you need an update or download a newer version. I just clicked on the attachment and it opend up fine for me, the scan job is a little fuzzy, but considering I dont' have a scanner I'm not one to complain. I faxed a crystal clear copy to Juicee as well, maybe he can post up a clear version somehow. In the mean time I will type in my three fastes passes.

--7:12 pm----------------8:15pm---------------9:49pm

R/T- .195--------------R/T - .069-----------R/T - .475

60' - 1.802-------------60' - 1.807---------60' - 1.804

330' - 5.012------------330' - 5.011---------330' - 5.003

1/8 - 7.669-------------1/8 - 7.660---------1/8 - 7.641

MPH - 92.94-------------MPH - 93.27---------MPH - 93.61

1000'- 9.956------------1000' - 9.939--------1000'- 9.910

1/4 - 11.887------------1/4 - 11.861--------1/4 - 11.824

MPH - 117.25------------MPH - 117.80--------MPH - 118.29

ItalianStallion

Nice work dude. Your runs kept getting better and better. Probably as the temperature went down at night the car got a bit faster. Great consistant 60's!

juicee63

Here is the timeslip and DA for the pass.



07/22/2008 at 09:49 pm

Time recorded 9:55 PM
Temperature °F 66.2
Dew Point °F 60.8
Altimeter Setting 30.11 Inches Mercury
Absolute Pressure: 29.44 Inches
Density Altitude: 1275.6 feet
Track Elelvation: 632 feet

UnCorrected ET:
11.824 (sec) @ 118.29 (MPH)


Corrected ET to Sea Level:
11.663 (sec) @ 119.941 (MPH)

Here is at -1000 feet
Your results:
E.T. 11.824 (sec)
Trap Speed 118.29 (mph)
Measured DA 1275 (feet)

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Corrected to -1000(feet) DA
Corrected ET 11.542 (sec)
Corrected Trap Speed 121.243 (mph


We need to data log to see if we are getting WOT, the 63 ECU for the most part only opens throttle 80% even with the best ECU tune. Also Octane may have been a factor. looks like this car is about 2 mph off on the top end IMHO

Great driving Jim,
and Congrats on the NEW ET RECORD.

Jordan and Rob and Jim get to work!!

jrcart

Sunoco un-leaded 100 is what I usually run in the car. I was running the 100 on Tuesday for this pass. Since the Evosport tunning work the car has only seen 99-100 un-leaded race fuels.

juicee63

You have a weather mitigator called TURBO, not just one but two of em?

A N/A motor will make far less power in high humidity and or heat and or altitude. According to NHRA a N/A motor is effected 100% by air while a turbo and or sc is 50% effected.

rflow306

Thanks for posting the DA.

I agree about the 2mph, none-the-less good runs by Jcart.

juicee63

That 84% humidity likely sunk you, try and get out in 60 degrees 50% or less humidity bet she traps 121!

JAYCL600

Yes and no. Our specific V12tt platform is heavily affected by air quality. Correct me if Im wrong but last i checked the NHRA only corrects for altitude not air quality.

rflow306

Correct, Juiece is taking the da and using the corresponding elevation correction. We have been over-this countless times with him, the NHRA's only legal correction is elevation.

official list

http://www.nhra.com/tech_specs/altitude.html

juicee63

The nhra correction for turbo is based on air density at known altitude.
And yes you are correct they do not apply a different factor based on weather just altitude.

And at less than 1200 feet they do not have a correction. (may be 1600 feet now)

However we know that in altitude the correction allowed for an NA motor is 2x greater than that used for FI cars. Obviously FI has an advantage. That advantage dissapates a bit as the turbo spools and heat is created, same with a sc. I saw many turboed cars fall flat due to heat so I know no platform is immune. Here is my prediction.

The 63 will pick up more from cool air and sea level than any FI platform in the MB lineup.

juicee63

agreed.

deaguero

They Should! Last October when we ran at Ontario it was during the forest fires surrounding the Ontario/Fontana valley. We had to wear gas masks, they issued oxygen, they had defibrilators on hand for both cars & people. Juicee passed out (no, he wasn't drinking!). Johnny Rocket was breathing hard after every run. Mo kept going to the bathroom! RARfinancial stopped smoking for the day! The runway was on fire at the end of the track

no, Seriously "Air Quality" should be in the equation. I'm sure they could measure air particulates and such and factor against "Ideal Air" conditions and have this for factoring into the formula.

deaguero

Jangy took off the air intake tubes so his car could breathe!

juicee63

Phil you are cfracking me up

Ah the Joys of Southern California living!

You forgot to mention the 40 mph head wind, that made quick work of Ricks hairdoo

deaguero

Is that where that hairpiece came from when they stopped the racing so they could clean up the track, I thought it was a dead crow or something?

I'm gonna try to hook up with you guys in the late fall/ early winter again.

Regards

MB_Forever

You forgot, I was covering myself with ice every 5 minutes.

Ahhhh.......... good times

We'll definitely do it again

Mirz

My friend took these pics of your car at joliet enjoy

rflow306

Nice pics giving that 87 t-top Z a whooping.

blackbenzz

I love your car Jim!

juicee63

Awesome pics...Man that is such a sik ride!

jrcart

Ya, I raced that guy in the IROC Z 2 times, he is car #291 on the time slips, his bark is much worse than his bite. The cars does friggin wheelies but I got him by .834 and .927 down the stretch. I hope my car can do wheelies with slicks

blackbenzz

Wheelies with an IRS suspension is pretty damn hard.

J 2OOI

Nice times and sweet pics!

otoupalik

Yes Jim, everyone knows that dynos all lie - especially at three different shops and in two different states!

BTW, one person mentioned that you might be spinning tires at the shift. BINGO! When the car shifts, JRCart is losing traction and having to lift. That should be rectified with the MT's.

Thanks
Brad