Update: MHP ECU/TCU Tuning (Throttle Blipping, etc, DONE!)
09-13-2008, 12:32 AM
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If the tcu/ecu tunes do everything claimed, I don't think the price is too unreasonable. It certainly sounds like a very comprehensive package considering the items offered. I would like to know more about the adaptive mod. Do you turn it off completely or do you set it to re-set itself?
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09-13-2008, 12:59 AM
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Nice to see some movement. I'd have to agree that the pricing would be reasonable IF the ECU/TCU are being tuned nicely and truly deliver what Andy claims. For now, nobody has offered us that much at a low price. Let us wait and see.
Andy: If you want to do ECU and TCU, then how would you get a custom tune without the car to datalog or dyno? I could understand you having ECU/TCU for OEM cars but what of modded ones? Will you eventually have an ECU file that corresponds to each mod pair (i.e. stages)?
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Andy: If you want to do ECU and TCU, then how would you get a custom tune without the car to datalog or dyno? I could understand you having ECU/TCU for OEM cars but what of modded ones? Will you eventually have an ECU file that corresponds to each mod pair (i.e. stages)?
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09-13-2008, 01:05 AM
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Andy: If you want to do ECU and TCU, then how would you get a custom tune without the car to datalog or dyno? I could understand you having ECU/TCU for OEM cars but what of modded ones? Will you eventually have an ECU file that corresponds to each mod pair (i.e. stages)?
Waiting for more...
Waiting for more...
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09-13-2008, 01:10 AM
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That's correct. If you're highly modded we'll simply refine your tune (based on the data you log and send us) until it's where it needs to be. Honestly though we can get you 90% of where you need to be (based on our past tuning experience) the first time.
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That's correct. If you're highly modded we'll simply refine your tune (based on the data you log and send us) until it's where it needs to be. Honestly though we can get you 90% of where you need to be (based on our past tuning experience) the first time.
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I think you need to do some comparisons of the components. An ECU tune is easy access. If you can show that you have better QT management than Powerchips current 55K tune, then you will make half of me a believer. I've always said you got the skills just wondered if youd had the time. I still wonder that. Wasn't it developed in only 3 weeks?
Again, good luck to you and I'd be happy to have my car as a stake in the ground for any guys getting the mods done out here. thericker would be a good one. He would love to beat me.
09-13-2008, 01:16 AM
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I think you need to do some comparisons of the components. An ECU tune is easy access. If you can show that you have better QT management than Powerchips current 55K tune, then you will make half of me a believer. I've always said you got the skills just wondered if youd had the time. I still wonder that. Wasn't it developed in only 3 weeks?
Total development time has been around the clock for months. These last 3 weeks have been spent on finalizing base cals.
Again, good luck to you and I'd be happy to have my car as a stake in the ground for any guys getting the mods done out here. thericker would be a good one. He would love to beat me.
09-13-2008, 02:38 AM
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Andy,
This sounds very exciting. I'm sorry we haven't been able to get in touch however I remain interested in seeing what you guys will be capable of. I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say that we would love to see conclusive data of the products you offer, including videos, graphs, etc.
While I don't question your capabilities, you are making some bold claims against some of your competing well respected, well funded tuners, so it's obvious we'll just want to see some more definitive data asap!
Definitely an exciting time for us AMGers, it seems like the aftermarket is really starting to open up.
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This sounds very exciting. I'm sorry we haven't been able to get in touch however I remain interested in seeing what you guys will be capable of. I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say that we would love to see conclusive data of the products you offer, including videos, graphs, etc.
While I don't question your capabilities, you are making some bold claims against some of your competing well respected, well funded tuners, so it's obvious we'll just want to see some more definitive data asap!
Definitely an exciting time for us AMGers, it seems like the aftermarket is really starting to open up.
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09-13-2008, 02:56 AM
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Andy,
This sounds very exciting. I'm sorry we haven't been able to get in touch however I remain interested in seeing what you guys will be capable of. I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say that we would love to see conclusive data of the products you offer, including videos, graphs, etc.
While I don't question your capabilities, you are making some bold claims against some of your competing well respected, well funded tuners, so it's obvious we'll just want to see some more definitive data asap!
Definitely an exciting time for us AMGers, it seems like the aftermarket is really starting to open up.
-m
This sounds very exciting. I'm sorry we haven't been able to get in touch however I remain interested in seeing what you guys will be capable of. I think I speak on behalf of everyone here when I say that we would love to see conclusive data of the products you offer, including videos, graphs, etc.
While I don't question your capabilities, you are making some bold claims against some of your competing well respected, well funded tuners, so it's obvious we'll just want to see some more definitive data asap!
Definitely an exciting time for us AMGers, it seems like the aftermarket is really starting to open up.
-m
No problem. We look forward to bringing top shelf products to Mercedes AMG owners and beyond in the coming months. I hear you on the data, we set lofty goals for ourselves and have done and will continue to do everything we can to attain and even surpass them. No question the next few weeks are going to be very exciting.
09-13-2008, 03:22 AM
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I have a stock E55 that's willing to test just a TCM initially. He's going to get before/after track and dyno numbers. He will then test the ECU/TCU together and we'll revise the TCU (for the ECU) at that time as well (still stage I). We have decided to sell supercharged V8 and turbocharged V12 TCUs seperately only if you're running a stock ECU tune. For liability reasons we cannot sell a TCU tune to a potential customer with a ECU modified by another aftermarket tuner. All 63s will still be complete driveline tuning only.
09-13-2008, 03:46 AM
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Andy,
Back in May I ended up getting a VRP pulley with their ECU tuning. One of the main reasons I decided to go with VRP was their work with Powerchip in overcoming the load limiters in the ECU cutting power when boost got too high. I'm not sure if it was a big deal for the '03 guys, but it seemed to really affect the guys running around in the '06s (correct me if I'm wrong here y'all). Anyway, my question is, would it be safe to assume your ECU tune accounts for this issue as well?
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Back in May I ended up getting a VRP pulley with their ECU tuning. One of the main reasons I decided to go with VRP was their work with Powerchip in overcoming the load limiters in the ECU cutting power when boost got too high. I'm not sure if it was a big deal for the '03 guys, but it seemed to really affect the guys running around in the '06s (correct me if I'm wrong here y'all). Anyway, my question is, would it be safe to assume your ECU tune accounts for this issue as well?
Thanks!
09-13-2008, 03:53 AM
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Andy,
Back in May I ended up getting a VRP pulley with their ECU tuning. One of the main reasons I decided to go with VRP was their work with Powerchip in overcoming the load limiters in the ECU cutting power when boost got too high. I'm not sure if it was a big deal for the '03 guys, but it seemed to really affect the guys running around in the '06s (correct me if I'm wrong here y'all). Anyway, my question is, would it be safe to assume your ECU tune accounts for this issue as well?
Thanks!
Back in May I ended up getting a VRP pulley with their ECU tuning. One of the main reasons I decided to go with VRP was their work with Powerchip in overcoming the load limiters in the ECU cutting power when boost got too high. I'm not sure if it was a big deal for the '03 guys, but it seemed to really affect the guys running around in the '06s (correct me if I'm wrong here y'all). Anyway, my question is, would it be safe to assume your ECU tune accounts for this issue as well?
Thanks!
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09-13-2008, 04:08 AM
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I do have a dyno run before/after when Vadim did my work. I don't recall the dyno type, but my numbers came in at 468hp/510tq although, the A/F mixture wasn't on the sheet. Is there a particular dyno you'd be interested in for a run? I assume Dynojet from one of your earlier posts?
09-13-2008, 04:15 AM
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I do have access to a track as well as a dyno. However, living here in Phoenix pretty much means I was waiting along with the other AZ guys on running out to the track until the weather gets a little cooler. Also, my stock runs were pretty crappy so I can't wait to get some "real" numbers.
I do have a dyno run before/after when Vadim did my work. I don't recall the dyno type, but my numbers came in at 468hp/510tq although, the A/F mixture wasn't on the sheet. Is there a particular dyno you'd be interested in for a run? I assume Dynojet from one of your earlier posts?
I do have a dyno run before/after when Vadim did my work. I don't recall the dyno type, but my numbers came in at 468hp/510tq although, the A/F mixture wasn't on the sheet. Is there a particular dyno you'd be interested in for a run? I assume Dynojet from one of your earlier posts?
Yes, a DynoJet 248 with SAE correction set on 5 (so spikes don't count) in fourth gear. Say 3 runs with each tune?
When can you get me your ECU?
09-13-2008, 04:24 AM
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I have no ill will toward ya man...
Got it, so I generate the data (A/Fs, etc.) and you use them to take a best shot and then will optimize if need be? Like Powerchip or any tuner.
I think you need to do some comparisons of the components. An ECU tune is easy access. If you can show that you have better QT management than Powerchips current 55K tune, then you will make half of me a believer. I've always said you got the skills just wondered if youd had the time. I still wonder that. Wasn't it developed in only 3 weeks?
Again, good luck to you and I'd be happy to have my car as a stake in the ground for any guys getting the mods done out here. thericker would be a good one. He would love to beat me.
I think you need to do some comparisons of the components. An ECU tune is easy access. If you can show that you have better QT management than Powerchips current 55K tune, then you will make half of me a believer. I've always said you got the skills just wondered if youd had the time. I still wonder that. Wasn't it developed in only 3 weeks?
Again, good luck to you and I'd be happy to have my car as a stake in the ground for any guys getting the mods done out here. thericker would be a good one. He would love to beat me.
09-13-2008, 05:03 AM
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Hi Andy....... any chance you can post a video of your C63's shift point from 1st to 2nd gear when in sport mode at full throttle? I'd really like to see at what rpm it'll shift that 1st to 2nd gear.
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if they keep their other ecu tune its no sell.
if they upgrade their other ecu tune to your ecu tune and then purchase your tcu tune as well? would this work?
09-13-2008, 09:47 AM
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Do you have a built in $1500 AMG luxury tax on the other models as well? Are you going to drop the pricing across the board after the initial suckerrrrrr......... I mean customers purchase the GB?
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Kleemann ECU TUNE
of course i've checked afr's and it is a bit rich but nowhere near 9's...it drops just below 11 at the very top. however imho, timing is more important and there have been enough tuners around here that have gotten a bit too aggressive and blown motors because of it. so i don't mind leaving a few hp on the table in favor of reliability. 85k miles on the odo, with 50k being fully modded and thoroughly enjoying it most of the time, says something about reliability (knock wood 
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also, in the thermalnator thread, i do recall you stating that your prices would be more fair than your competition so i am disappointed by the price increase and forced bundle. i guess there's no getting away from our amg/idiot tax.
).also, in the thermalnator thread, i do recall you stating that your prices would be more fair than your competition so i am disappointed by the price increase and forced bundle. i guess there's no getting away from our amg/idiot tax.
I can't wait to put 50,000 more miles on my car with my Kleemann ECU tune. That will be a lot of miles with a HUGE GRIN on my face. Thanks for your testimony of the Kleemann product. I feel a whole lot better about my choice with Cory. So far, not one cell light or any issues with all of my mods, similar to yours. BTW, we will have a great heads up race at MIR. Do you agree??
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Andy, after reading the thread and talking to Bruce from TTM about you and all the great work that you've done, I'm sold!
Talk to me about the filters and the Thermalnators... BMC Filters? How long until the Thermalnators are available? I saw the one's that you made for the 63 BS and they are niceeee.
Bruce and I are also installing new air boxes (when available), secondary heat exchanger and high-flow pump, intercooler coolant lines are getting re-routed and we're doing a custom 3.5" cat-back exhaust married to Meisterschaft cans... with your tuning package I think my car will be a force to be reckoned with... agree? 
Talk to me about the filters and the Thermalnators... BMC Filters? How long until the Thermalnators are available? I saw the one's that you made for the 63 BS and they are niceeee.
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would one be able to get an ecu and tcu tune from you if they decide to upgrade their past modified tune to your tune?
if they keep their other ecu tune its no sell.
if they upgrade their other ecu tune to your ecu tune and then purchase your tcu tune as well? would this work?
if they keep their other ecu tune its no sell.
if they upgrade their other ecu tune to your ecu tune and then purchase your tcu tune as well? would this work?
Thanks
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$6k...that's four times as much as the guys with a reputation rape you for.
As my father always told me...talk is for philosophers and poets, the real world is about results.
That tune would have to be good for 100 real world HP all by itelf to be equal to everyone else in price for performance. And thats still just average.
As my father always told me...talk is for philosophers and poets, the real world is about results.
That tune would have to be good for 100 real world HP all by itelf to be equal to everyone else in price for performance. And thats still just average.
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Andy, after reading the thread and talking to Bruce from TTM about you and all the great work that you've done, I'm sold!
Talk to me about the filters and the Thermalnators... BMC Filters? How long until the Thermalnators are available? I saw the one's that you made for the 63 BS and they are niceeee.
Talk to me about the filters and the Thermalnators... BMC Filters? How long until the Thermalnators are available? I saw the one's that you made for the 63 BS and they are niceeee.
All 6.2s/63s use the same Thermalnator gaskets which are in stock and ready to go.
Bruce and I are also installing new air boxes (when available), secondary heat exchanger and high-flow pump, intercooler coolant lines are getting re-routed and we're doing a custom 3.5" cat-back exhaust married to Meisterschaft cans... with your tuning package I think my car will be a force to be reckoned with... agree?
Thanks!
