It's time!! VRP700 VS MHP. Tuner showdown at Sacto. 10/25/08
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Andy:
I have no doubt that you have great customer service and professionalism when dealing directly with them. My point is that there a bunch of people who will never find that out because they read some of the responses on here and will walk away with a bad feeling about you/MHP. In business perception is more important than reality... no more lecturing from me
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I have no doubt that you have great customer service and professionalism when dealing directly with them. My point is that there a bunch of people who will never find that out because they read some of the responses on here and will walk away with a bad feeling about you/MHP. In business perception is more important than reality... no more lecturing from me
Tom
True I am not in the market for a tune ( I have had 4) but I was watching to see what became of the claims he made with alot of intrest. You never know if thoes claims are all legit MHP could turn ALOT of people all of the sudden to "in the market"
Seriously I know MHP dont care but I would never buy a tune from them just by the way he carrys his self on this board.
Now lets get back to JIMS thread.
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My car's best run is 11.403 @ 121.59 mph (w/ Jason driving_. mine was 11.499 when the DA was about 300+ higher). No the car was not 100% stock... drag radials, CM030, BMC filters and some tweaking... let's just say I have spent less than $2K on performance parts...installed. 
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Every post with MHP in its title I have read lately makes me sick. 
This sponsor has taken this forum to a turn for the worse. Perhaps this type of behavior is considered normal on other forums, but it sure wasn’t the case here before. I will intentionally ignore all of them as not to read any more Andy's responses that appears to me as written vomit. 
FWIW, I found MHP posts and responses to be the least professional on this board. I am surprised to find that some members here mistake that for confidence in ones product.
This sponsor has taken this forum to a turn for the worse. Perhaps this type of behavior is considered normal on other forums, but it sure wasn’t the case here before. I will intentionally ignore all of them as not to read any more Andy's responses that appears to me as written vomit. FWIW, I found MHP posts and responses to be the least professional on this board. I am surprised to find that some members here mistake that for confidence in ones product.
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That's as much as I'll say now or in the future regarding that issue. If it continues it will be in court not on the net.
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It is a great platform to start with...until very recently (pre-MarkoCL65) there weren't any real performance parts except RENNtech airboxes and a bunch of tunes. I want to keep my car pretty close to stock and still get close to the 10's. We shall see.
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Couldnt be more true. EVERY post MHP is in has all kinds of BS with it. some I agree is not MHPs fault but he is the "professional" here he should act like it. Maybe MHP shouldnt respond to every thing said? MHP has been here 2 months and has 2000 posts and they are mostly fighting with people.
True I am not in the market for a tune ( I have had 4) but I was watching to see what became of the claims he made with alot of intrest. You never know if thoes claims are all legit MHP could turn ALOT of people all of the sudden to "in the market"
Seriously I know MHP dont care but I would never buy a tune from them just by the way he carrys his self on this board.
Now lets get back to JIMS thread.
True I am not in the market for a tune ( I have had 4) but I was watching to see what became of the claims he made with alot of intrest. You never know if thoes claims are all legit MHP could turn ALOT of people all of the sudden to "in the market"
Seriously I know MHP dont care but I would never buy a tune from them just by the way he carrys his self on this board.
Now lets get back to JIMS thread.
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I was feeling the market for a tune, ECU was all really. True enough, like I posted back about 4-5 pages ago I said seeing so much controversy and rants with MHP involved (and some others) it made them all look bad. That's the perception part. From a distance you can't tell the fool from the solid party.
On the flip, MHP (Andy) has been very honest, friendly, and forward in questions I have asked him regarding a ECU tune. On this thread it went nuts, and people keep inciting.
Perhaps we should get back OT and get this competition done and wait for real results.
Honestly, I would like to see comparisons of all tuners with real data to see who is really best. (Kleeman, Renntech, VRP, MHP, etc.) That would end the debate, no? This could be a friendly way to show comparisons, and not get nasty either. Just MT.
On the flip, MHP (Andy) has been very honest, friendly, and forward in questions I have asked him regarding a ECU tune. On this thread it went nuts, and people keep inciting.
Perhaps we should get back OT and get this competition done and wait for real results.
Honestly, I would like to see comparisons of all tuners with real data to see who is really best. (Kleeman, Renntech, VRP, MHP, etc.) That would end the debate, no? This could be a friendly way to show comparisons, and not get nasty either. Just MT.
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I've been asking for this (tuner shootout) for months even offered to comp our tune if a competitor agreed to do the same in exchange for dyno/track data before MIR and a head to head race there; it was the literally the perfect opportunity. Less no one has stepped up, and I've got $ that says no one will. Unfortunate to say the least.
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I've been asking for this (tuner shootout) for months even offered to comp our tune if a competitor agreed to do the same in exchange for dyno/track data before MIR and a head to head race there; it was the literally the perfect opportunity. Less no one has stepped up, and I've got $ that says no one will. Unfortunate to say the least.
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"other" tuners already have proven results...and have years of accumulated real data to show for it so they likely don't see the need to pound their chest here. i also doubt they're as afraid of your tune as you make them out. the realistic side of them not getting involved here is that they're probably a bit more diplomatic in their online business approach.
We have Renntech v MHP and PC v MHP dyno results coming in from an E63 and CLK BS 63 this week. After MIR there will be no debate.
I know you don't put much stake in owner testimony/dynos but it's not like there's a "Kinda, sorta" difference being felt from our customers, it's more on the order of "Holy ****". Unfortunately most tracks in the northern Midwest (IL, OH) are closed already. Again MIR should supply you with all the track data you can handle.
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I was feeling the market for a tune, ECU was all really. True enough, like I posted back about 4-5 pages ago I said seeing so much controversy and rants with MHP involved (and some others) it made them all look bad. That's the perception part. From a distance you can't tell the fool from the solid party.
On the flip, MHP (Andy) has been very honest, friendly, and forward in questions I have asked him regarding a ECU tune. On this thread it went nuts, and people keep inciting.
Perhaps we should get back OT and get this competition done and wait for real results.
Honestly, I would like to see comparisons of all tuners with real data to see who is really best. (Kleeman, Renntech, VRP, MHP, etc.) That would end the debate, no? This could be a friendly way to show comparisons, and not get nasty either. Just MT.
On the flip, MHP (Andy) has been very honest, friendly, and forward in questions I have asked him regarding a ECU tune. On this thread it went nuts, and people keep inciting.
Perhaps we should get back OT and get this competition done and wait for real results.
Honestly, I would like to see comparisons of all tuners with real data to see who is really best. (Kleeman, Renntech, VRP, MHP, etc.) That would end the debate, no? This could be a friendly way to show comparisons, and not get nasty either. Just MT.
In the end expect the 3 smaller guys (MHP, LET and VRP) to be the best choice for service. Depending on what you want to do that may help you narrow down your choices.
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Yup yup! and both 65/600 v12 TT share intercoolers/airboxes...I'm going for the 65 Heat Exchanger + Johnson CM30 pump VRP's upgraded intercoolers/airboxes then ECU & run at 1 of the better tracks up north to see if my SL600 that weighs 300+ lbs less than the heavier CL65 can get into those magically 10's as well
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Andy:
I have no doubt that you have great customer service and professionalism when dealing directly with them. My point is that there a bunch of people who will never find that out because they read some of the responses on here and will walk away with a bad feeling about you/MHP. In business perception is more important than reality... no more lecturing from me
Tom
I have no doubt that you have great customer service and professionalism when dealing directly with them. My point is that there a bunch of people who will never find that out because they read some of the responses on here and will walk away with a bad feeling about you/MHP. In business perception is more important than reality... no more lecturing from me
Tom
however in seeing how it started, i find it very easy to see how most of us here would react in the very same manner(even if some would not post their reaction for all to see).
if your competitor told your client how to install, work, use your product i am very sure that 98% of you would react in the same defensive or offensive manner(publicly/privately) as mhp!
i really dont see a problem with the mhp reaction in this thread. some of the mindless banter afterward was uncalled for. but then again a lot of you like pouring salt in a wound.
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Andy:
He isn't conducting his business on this forum...you are... it doesn't help you cause...believe me there are a ton of people who will never do business with you because of your responses on here. Sure you have people coming to you for tunes....but you could have had alot more... I know you don't care...but it is a valid point nonetheless.
Tom
He isn't conducting his business on this forum...you are... it doesn't help you cause...believe me there are a ton of people who will never do business with you because of your responses on here. Sure you have people coming to you for tunes....but you could have had alot more... I know you don't care...but it is a valid point nonetheless.
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"No ET Nationals" are being held this upcoming Saturday (Nov 1). Test & Tune sessions will be held this Wednesday (Oct 29) and the next two Saturdays (Nov 8 and 15).
The forecast for this Wednesday and Saturday calls for cool and dry weather, so the DA should be down around zero. Track prep at Milan is usually good, too.
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I disagree, Human Behavior 101: 90% of the worlds population would sell their sole to the devil (Andy, not calling you the devil, LOL) if they thought it would give them the upper hand in any personal or business/carrer situation. You guys will be lining up for MHP tunes in the very near future regardless of his attitude or remarks on this forum. Most of the guys (and gals) on this forum are a competetive bunch, they are not going to stand buy and watch the world pass them by, if there is a better product available they will buy it regardless. I can tell you that my car feels like a different animal, the thing revs so fast I am having a hard time paddle shifting it. The shift light that came on the car is useless because by the time it lights up and you react you are pegging the rev limiter. The area of biggest suprise is the TCU, the shifts are super fast and firm. As for power gains, I will tell you for sure when I get it on a dyno.
I was gonna say the same thing, when everyone is beating you left and right cause of a tune or close or that , your gonna jump ship and forget about the posts. Give up performace because of forum posts? I dont think so lol.
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Every post with MHP in its title I have read lately makes me sick. This sponsor has taken this forum to a turn for the worse. Perhaps this type of behavior is considered normal on other forums, but it sure wasn’t the case here before. I will intentionally ignore all of them as not to read any more Andy's responses that appears to me as written vomit.
FWIW, I found MHP posts and responses to be the least professional on this board. I am surprised to find that some members here mistake that for confidence in ones product.
This sponsor has taken this forum to a turn for the worse. Perhaps this type of behavior is considered normal on other forums, but it sure wasn’t the case here before. I will intentionally ignore all of them as not to read any more Andy's responses that appears to me as written vomit. FWIW, I found MHP posts and responses to be the least professional on this board. I am surprised to find that some members here mistake that for confidence in ones product.
I used to have a 300C, so I would visit those forums also. It is a rough crowd around the mod areas with a lot of chest pumping. I am sure Andy had to be very tough to survive there.
What he should be realising about now is that the Mercedes forums are a lot more refined just as the automobiles are...and as such should adjust his attitude and responses accordingly. I believe it will help in the long run.
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I disagree, Human Behavior 101: 90% of the worlds population would sell their sole to the devil (Andy, not calling you the devil, LOL) if they thought it would give them the upper hand in any personal or business/carrer situation. You guys will be lining up for MHP tunes in the very near future regardless of his attitude or remarks on this forum. Most of the guys (and gals) on this forum are a competetive bunch, they are not going to stand buy and watch the world pass them by, if there is a better product available they will buy it regardless. I can tell you that my car feels like a different animal, the thing revs so fast I am having a hard time paddle shifting it. The shift light that came on the car is useless because by the time it lights up and you react you are pegging the rev limiter. The area of biggest suprise is the TCU, the shifts are super fast and firm. As for power gains, I will tell you for sure when I get it on a dyno.
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Well, FWIW, Milan Dragway (in Michigan, 27 miles north of Toledo) will be open until November 15.
"No ET Nationals" are being held this upcoming Saturday (Nov 1). Test & Tune sessions will be held this Wednesday (Oct 29) and the next two Saturdays (Nov 8 and 15).
The forecast for this Wednesday and Saturday calls for cool and dry weather, so the DA should be down around zero. Track prep at Milan is usually good, too.
"No ET Nationals" are being held this upcoming Saturday (Nov 1). Test & Tune sessions will be held this Wednesday (Oct 29) and the next two Saturdays (Nov 8 and 15).
The forecast for this Wednesday and Saturday calls for cool and dry weather, so the DA should be down around zero. Track prep at Milan is usually good, too.
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Once all the initial hype, drama is over I'm sure I'll find a more relaxed role here as well.
I used to have a 300C, so I would visit those forums also. It is a rough crowd around the mod areas with a lot of chest pumping. I am sure Andy had to be very tough to survive there.
What he should be realising about now is that the Mercedes forums are a lot more refined just as the automobiles are...and as such should adjust his attitude and responses accordingly. I believe it will help in the long run.
What he should be realising about now is that the Mercedes forums are a lot more refined just as the automobiles are...and as such should adjust his attitude and responses accordingly. I believe it will help in the long run.
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