Super Sedan Showdown (CTSv-C63-M5)
12-02-2008, 06:47 PM
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Super Sedan Showdown (CTSv-C63-M5)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..2.*
M5 out traps the CTSV
CTS-v is a great car for the money.
The C63 is not too far away from both of those cars for the money..
great review...
btw: I always care about trap speed not ETA and specially head to head comparison.
While all 3 cars can trap higher in other tracks.. it only counts whey they are tested on the same playing field.
Clearly.. the m5 will still walk away from these cars after 120+ (stock for stock)
M5 SMG gearing can overcome HP and TQ.
The C63 with just a $1500 tune will no doubt keep up with the M5 and CTS-V in a road course or drags trip.
CTS-v with a pulley/ecu..will be killer combo track or drag
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M5 out traps the CTSV
CTS-v is a great car for the money.
The C63 is not too far away from both of those cars for the money..
great review...
btw: I always care about trap speed not ETA and specially head to head comparison.
While all 3 cars can trap higher in other tracks.. it only counts whey they are tested on the same playing field.
Clearly.. the m5 will still walk away from these cars after 120+ (stock for stock)
M5 SMG gearing can overcome HP and TQ.
The C63 with just a $1500 tune will no doubt keep up with the M5 and CTS-V in a road course or drags trip.
CTS-v with a pulley/ecu..will be killer combo track or drag
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12-02-2008, 07:00 PM
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This trap thing just baffles me sometimes.
Just curious why the traps matter when the CTSV was nearly a half sec quicker on the 1/4 then the M5.
If the trap speed = hp factor was applied, it would be miles off according to those numbers no??
No being smart alec, just really curious? It's always kept me scratching my head.
CTSV 12.4 114 with 4250 weight = 446 hp???
M5 12.8 115 with 4034 weight = 409 hp??
Used dragtimes hp calculator flywheel
Just curious why the traps matter when the CTSV was nearly a half sec quicker on the 1/4 then the M5.
If the trap speed = hp factor was applied, it would be miles off according to those numbers no??
No being smart alec, just really curious? It's always kept me scratching my head.
CTSV 12.4 114 with 4250 weight = 446 hp???
M5 12.8 115 with 4034 weight = 409 hp??
Used dragtimes hp calculator flywheel
12-02-2008, 09:48 PM
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The V is legit! They have been testing this car for over a year and it has always stood its ground.
They set out to make an M5 beater and they did it. The M5 is now 4 years old so so how could GM not have the better car?
In the next year or two when they update the M5 the V will be chasing it once again.
They set out to make an M5 beater and they did it. The M5 is now 4 years old so so how could GM not have the better car?
In the next year or two when they update the M5 the V will be chasing it once again.
12-02-2008, 09:59 PM
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i'm sure we will see plenty of 118+ on the CTS-V at certain drag strips...
I'm not saying 114 will be the average...
but in this head to head.. for some reason it was not able to put the power down.
I'm not saying 114 will be the average...
but in this head to head.. for some reason it was not able to put the power down.
12-02-2008, 11:54 PM
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Since it's inception the latest M5 has been a solid 12.4ish car... But now a newer and improved-er 4 years later car is 4 tenths slower in the 1/4??
Me thinks these guys suck at driving.
12-03-2008, 12:09 AM
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Was the driver of the C63 at the beginning of the article MHP? 
That Caddy V is something. Hats off to GM for playing in this field and upping the ante.
Also, I think they should have had the E63 in there to at least compare cars actually in that segment.
That Caddy V is something. Hats off to GM for playing in this field and upping the ante.
Also, I think they should have had the E63 in there to at least compare cars actually in that segment.
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12-03-2008, 04:47 AM
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Agreed HILARIOUS Andy was that you? hats off man...
Whoever it was I Salute you sir
Andy was that you? hats off man...Whoever it was I Salute you sir
The M5 has also changed the way car owners in this category think. One of us learned this recently while stopped in a left-turn lane with the M5. A friendly horn toot drew his attention to a brand-new, black-on-black 2009 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. Our man expected some kind of fraternal salute from the AMG, as a meeting of two such cars is pretty special, even in Los Angeles. You know, that cool little lift of the chin that rich guys affect.
Instead, the Merc driver casually flipped off our man with a smile and then proceeded to lay down the biggest smoky burnout with his C63 ever seen on a crowded public boulevard in the middle of the day.
So there's that, and you gotta hand it to that C63 driver. He knows that it's all about humiliating the M5 in any way you can. Either that, or our man Magrath just rubbed him the wrong way. (Magrath is like that sometimes.)
Instead, the Merc driver casually flipped off our man with a smile and then proceeded to lay down the biggest smoky burnout with his C63 ever seen on a crowded public boulevard in the middle of the day.
So there's that, and you gotta hand it to that C63 driver. He knows that it's all about humiliating the M5 in any way you can. Either that, or our man Magrath just rubbed him the wrong way. (Magrath is like that sometimes.)
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12-03-2008, 05:31 PM
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Edmunds tests seem to be forever skewd
12-03-2008, 10:43 PM
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The CTS-V is a nice car but it is still the same old marginal American car. It just doesn't have the class of a Mercedes. That is why it is sold at that price. No quality.
12-04-2008, 04:42 PM
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Agreed. A little like the new ZR1...world beating performance, but same old Vette cockpit and look. No differentiation...but as far as the Caddy, I was hoping for a little more as far as the quality/class.
12-04-2008, 04:58 PM
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You all need to see one in person. It ain't no 7 series, but it's MILES better than the old V or anything else from GM in a looooooong time. The interior isn't bad, the nav stomps the **** out of anything with a German namplate, it handles pretty well, and did you miss the fact that it's FAST? Don't get me started on German quality, 'cause it certainly isn't anything to be bragging about. Seems to be a pretty good compromise between performance, comfort, and cost, no?
12-04-2008, 05:05 PM
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You all need to see one in person. It ain't no 7 series, but it's MILES better than the old V or anything else from GM in a looooooong time. The interior isn't bad, the nav stomps the **** out of anything with a German namplate, it handles pretty well, and did you miss the fact that it's FAST? Don't get me started on German quality, 'cause it certainly isn't anything to be bragging about. Seems to be a pretty good compromise between performance, comfort, and cost, no?
The V is a solid car with a great price and all around performance that beats the best of the best. I don't see why so many people don't give the car the respect it is due. I know the Germans will say the V blows but we need to stand behind our own powerhouse brand.
