e55 baller

Why are there 1000 HP M3s but no 1000 HP AMGs? Not a big enough AMG market? Too much R&D to produce a kit like this? Not enough profits for tuners? Its tempting to get a $25K M3 and do this $32K kit and be smoking everything. I wonder if they will make this kit fir the new M3...that car looks great.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/part...s/E46_M3/11037

Fantasm

PES-Tuning is working on a supercharger kit for the new M3

Addicted2Speed

These 1000hp M3's are not very drivable and not as fast as you might think.

Their 750hp kit only runs mid 11's in the 1/4 mile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrSryDi3Tk

bfnnrgn

Probably because M3s are cheap and dime a dozen. They make more M3s than AMG makes of all models combined.

Thericker

They squeeze 951bhp outt've those turds but that's on Methanol 110 oct mixture 99% they'll be on 91 pump gas puts them @ 612 rwhp & 459 rwto = only 746bhp 559 Brake Torque...

Look @ their stage3 meth +110 oct Torque 580 rwto & that's modded to the hilt get yourself a Biturbo ECU/TCU & you'll have damn near 950 Brake Torque ie 750rwto +

Their dyno for stage 3 w/diferent fuel etc..

Jon2007E63P30

Because MB/AMG drivers have big ones where it counts and are not so insecure.

Although....
Naw, I don't need more horsepower and I do not need another inch.

TTAMG

Just give it some time. I've always said this and I'll say it again. The M3 is like the euro rice. parts are abundant for them which means the market to do this is far greater the say an e55. I have something in the works that will ruin any M3 but I'll keep mouth shut till it's in the finishing stages

aleksandar1099

you might have let it leak on the BS forum... cant wait

TTAMG

Thats no leak. The only reason I posted is because I needed help. Trust me these M3 guys run their mouths and think their cars are gods. It's time a Mercedes shows the bmw guys how it's done

aleksandar1099

THANK YOU

I can't say all... but most M3 drivers

Forrest Gump 9

I'm pretty sure those numbers are whp not bhp. Anyway, Benz have more class than BMW. And with enough money, you can make any car fast.

e55 baller

I don't understand why methly injection doesn't really work with the AMGs. I tried and tried but its a PITA to tune and make more power. Guess its for running very high boost in the edge.

e55 baller

interesting...the trap is definitely there at 130mph. At half track my car is faster by 3mph, then its faster than 3mph but it can't launch.

Thericker

Ahhh I think there rwhp rwto #'s too I coverted them to BHP etc..

DFW01E55

I've done a highway run against one of the E46 750 kits and wouldn't encourage you to put money on the MB. You'll need a tuned 65 to keep pace.

mthis

dont tuned 65 make 1000hp or close to it. if im not mistaking rennteck does thers to high 800hp.

aleksandar1099

No one makes a 1000hp yet, but VRP is REALLY close to finishing a project which should put it there...

skratch77

the inline 6 is a better platform to make power,the engine is naturally ballanced and is one tough sob.

look at the supras and skylines,they both had inline 6s.


taza's AA m3 is one of the fastes ones,heres him racing a highly modded k04 s4 and an upgraded twin 996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCWlJT5yF1M&NR=1

some more on his car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vshwwtFNMik

Blownbenz

Ive owned Plenty of Mcars and AMGs. I currently have an E55 which I love. I know this is a MB website. But i have to say this, anyone that says an M3 is junk is a total idiot and doesnt know **** about cars except hoe to write a check for one. . Its not the same as an amg. It is better in some ways and not as good in others. Ive had a Forced induction m3 and used to destroy modded 911turbos that would hand me my *** in the e55.

You cant say amg or mcars are better or worse than the other. They are very similar and very different at the same time. I for one love both.

TTAMG

Ive spoke the the Horse Power Freaks guys which are totally cool, and i have mad respect with the power they make. I think the platform of the car is much better then a mercedes to modify like that because the tranny, and the proven engine. HPF has many many supras which are also inline six's and thats what drew them into bmw's. On the other hand i still think they dont have near the class and prestige of an AMG. Im very new to the mercedes game, Ive owned only one, and im really suprised that there arent any 1000hp mercedes yet. I mean in a nut shell the e55's or any 55 in that case resemble the cobras and the ford gt motors, although one is a 3 valve and one is 4 valve and just a whipple or kennebell with the supporting mods makes that power or more. I always wonder why someone hasnt made a more powerful twin screw for the 55's that is caplable of 1000hp.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

+1 on the potency of the I-6 motor. Those lumps dig boost like you wouldn't believe.

blackbenzz

There isn't a big market for 1000hp AMG's. You put two GT35R's on a built 5.4L V8 AMG engine and you can make 1000hp easily

There are some VERY fast BMW guys out there with really down to earth drivers. They take engines half the size of ours and turbo them and make them go much faster. I know a few 9s BMW's and all three drivers are cool as ****. These guys know how to build a car and are crazy enough to do it. That being said there are the d bag owners as well but you find that with every make. Most MB guys just like to pay someone to make more power.

skratch77

few more notes on the s54 from the m3,that engine is like 10x more efficient than the e55 v8.

it will out flow even a supra block by almost twice as much volume going threw it.

some guy tested the head on the s54 and was so shocked on how well bmw ported and polished it,there are no gains to be made on the head from work,its perfect from bmw.It will out flow a supra block all day,thats also why it can make so much power with less boost.

little example you can make 600whp on an s54 with like 14psi,that same turbo would need 24psi on a supra to make the same power.

run the same turbos on both blocks and the m3 will make more power.The m3 was made to flow up to 9000 rpms,add boost and make it not blow up and you have a serious monster.The only problem is the s54 wont beat the older s52 from the e36 m3.

the stroke is to long,bmw maxed out bore and stroke on both sides of the spectrum making the s54,they went for max torque and said f'it lets rev the **** out of it also.this will make it harder to make over 1000whp like the e36 m3.You will have to shorten the stoke bigtime or you will blow it up.

that is also why the m3 was throwing rods.

the real engine to build up is the 3.6 inline 6 from the older m5,they are up to like 1400whp over seas

BenzoBoi

If I'm not mistaken...HPF was actually looking for a W211 E55 to use as their new "project" car...anyone up for the challenge? :rofl:

BenzoBoi

If I'm not mistaken...HPF was actually recently looking for a W211 E55 to use for their new "project" car...a TT set up...anyone up for the challenge?